Wow...Hotscoots.........I'll have to check out the law here in Florida as to what they say about 2 strokes with registration and lights and all. Most of the states I've been in, DC, California and now Florida do not allow 2 strokes on the streets period!
Perhaps I'm just so lucky as to be landing in the only 3 areas of the US that donot allow 2 strokes on the streets...........I'll have to look in on that.
Wow...Hotscoots.........I'll have to check out the law here in Florida as to what they say about 2 strokes with registration and lights and all. Most of the states I've been in, DC, California and now Florida do not allow 2 strokes on the streets period!
Perhaps I'm just so lucky as to be landing in the only 3 areas of the US that donot allow 2 strokes on the streets...........I'll have to look in on that.
thanks.
I have some good news for you ....Florida allows 2 stroke vehicles with displacement less than 50cc on the road legally registered as "Mopeds" . http://moped2.org/txt/florida_moped_laws.htm
The same is true for California ...
I do not know about DC , but the surrounding area of Delaware and Virginia allow small displacement 2 strokes on the streets .
Speedgimp.............you figured me out. I was wondering how long it'd take before someone recognized the alias.
Hey man, you and I have spoken on the phone before. I used to live in socali. Even went under a different alias till this Pbplanet pc server crashed. then couldn't get my old alias up again so I just re-registered and gave me a new name...........
you guys in Opalocka right? you guys ride Metrakit bikes in opalocka as well? I know you run the pocketbike crowd there don't ya?
well, hopefully I can make it out there if "ivan" doesn't come a knockin' in a week or so................by the way.......can you guess what my old alias was? Hint: it started with the protagonist of a recent "new" movie that dealt with a computer-generated world?
On two-stroke street legality, its not about size. Yes, certain states don't allow larger two-strokers. However, Yamaha sold the RD250/RD350/RD400 (2cyl, 2stroke) bikes that were street legal even in California up to 1979. Later, Yamaha sold the RZ350 (first year 1983, 2cyl, 2stroke) that was 49 state legal. Kawasaki also offered the famed "triple" 750cc two-stroke (along with a smaller 350cc version) that was street legal.
On two-stroke street legality, its not about size. Yes, certain states don't allow larger two-strokers. However, Yamaha sold the RD250/RD350/RD400 (2cyl, 2stroke) bikes that were street legal even in California up to 1979. Later, Yamaha sold the RZ350 (first year 1983, 2cyl, 2stroke) that was 49 state legal. Kawasaki also offered the famed "triple" 750cc two-stroke (along with a smaller 350cc version) that was street legal.
Technically , you are correct . It is not about the size. However , during the late '70s and early '80s , the US EPA created emissions standards for motor vehicles that no large displacement 2 stroke could ever comply with . Ergo thier demise.
Saab stopped making thier 2 stroke autos and all motorcycle manufacturers quickly shifted thier offerings to 4 stroke. There were exceptions (snowmobiles and watercraft) which are currently being challenged today . Smaller displacement 2 strokes(<50cc) were exempt from these stringent standards. They are also under scrutiny today . My first mototcycle was an early '70s T250 twin 2 stroke Suzuki .
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My point was that there were two-strokes larger than 50cc (RZ350) built as late as 1985 (or '86, can't remember!) that were 49 state street legal, emissions and all.
EDIT: BTW, I have owned previously an '74 RD250 and an '73 RD350. Man, I miss them! You just gotta love two-stroke legal street bikes! My dream is to import a Canadian model RZ500 V4! I'll have it...one day.
Speedgimp.............you figured me out. I was wondering how long it'd take before someone recognized the alias.
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Hey man, you and I have spoken on the phone before. I used to live in socali. Even went under a different alias till this Pbplanet pc server crashed. then couldn't get my old alias up again so I just re-registered and gave me a new name...........
Damn, Dude. I've spoken with a few people (more than one from Cali) and it all runs together into a blur that I can barely remember. I've REALLY hit my head too many times.
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you guys in Opalocka right? you guys ride Metrakit bikes in opalocka as well? I know you run the pocketbike crowd there don't ya?
The pocketbikes and the metrakits practice together. In the rare instance that it's packed, they alternate slow pocketbikes and midbikes with the Metrakits and openclass pocketbikes every 15 minutes. I'm assuming that if you are looking at metrakits, you are talking to Ozzie. If that's the case, Ozzie can tell you all you need to know about practicing at Hialeah as he's the one who organizes it (along with possible future practices at morosso).
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well, hopefully I can make it out there if "ivan" doesn't come a knockin' in a week or so
I probably won't be practicing for the next week or two as I'm burnt out and busy. I had a race the weekend before this past one, and this past weekend I was in Atlanta for DragonCon.
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................by the way.......can you guess what my old alias was? Hint: it started with the protagonist of a recent "new" movie that dealt with a computer-generated world?
Let me sum it up for ya on in regards to size and "vs"
Yamaha YSR50 -12" wheel bike sold here in the states with an air-cooled 49cc 2-stroke motor, 5 speed.
Honda NSR50 - 12" water-cooled 49cc. They were produced in the 80's and early 90's as a street bike, but not offered in the states. The newest models sold in the states are race only.
Metrakit (Ozzie) - 12" custom built with a Derbi 49cc water-cooled, 6 speed. It is a race only. You can order these with different hp's, but will cost more depending on the upgrades.
Both the Metrakit & NSR produce 9hp, the YSR 7hp. But the Metrakit has a little more umph out of the box over the NSR.....as previously mentioned.
NOW, The Aprilla RS50 & GPR Derbi.
They both stand as tall as a "big bike"
16" and/or 17" wheels, depending on the year.
The Derbi has a little more umph out of the box over the Aprilla RS50. The Derbi chassis/suspension is better than the Aprilla RS, but both have their issues dialing in the suspension when it comes to tracking these bikes.........but don't they all?!
Hope this info helps for those that are unfamiliar with these 2-smokers.
As I understand things (it may be different North of the border), the NSR50 only puts out 7HP for the 2004 model and the Metrakit runs 11HP @ the crank. It is also 50 lbs lighter, 120 lbs without fuel.
They are custom made for mini-motogp racing. i'm going to the warehouse tomorrow to check em out. I know they are a bit pricy but hey, if someone is gonna spend $3000 on a small Blata.......krap for another 8 or 9 hundred more, I'd prefer to get this slick racing machine that is at least larger and more comfortable to ride.
Just another option from the moto world from which to chose from.....
The Metrakit is imported by Cycle Imports. Cycle Imports was one of the first importers to bring in the Polini Pocketbikes to the US. Ozzie, the owner is very interested in developing young talent; and the Metrakit is the obvious next step for youngster who have professional racing as their goal.
Would you like to see a forum setup just for this style of bike, which includes the Derbi and a few others?
Jay
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Pic from Ebay item: 2496791665
for size comparison.
PBP'ers,.....Would you like to see a forum setup just for this style of bike, which includes the Derbi and a few others?
Jay
I think that would be col... Though I dont have a "Big Wheel" 50cc, I'm looking to get one, the Aprilia's seem readily available but I rarely find Derbi's (which I like better), maybe this would bring some more importers into the mix
