well here it is we`re gonna be racing an electric against a polini 911(euro)so we can finnal put the which one is better to rest
So will you be able to actually show up to a race spot in the spring when this goes down, or are you like 14 years old first of all? And you still haven't told me what kind of race you want to do, and for what distance, or even where. Who is traveling where, i dont know where you live, it says ohio on your s/n and then it says canada for the country. Also is this bike on the original motor or is there some other modded engine.
YES my motor is highly modded and 1/4 mile will be the race also i can drive down to you
So i'm assuming its the stock block motor, but i'll never know if its 50 cc or not, i'll assume its got all the usual upgrades that any gas engine would use. So what , you want to go a full 1/4 mile then? How many runs do you want to do this, just 1 ? If its more than 1 i need time to recharge.
And as far as i know, i can use whatever electrical components that i want, i dont have any rules, as long as its a mid bike, like an x7 like i've already planned before im not violating any rules.
bro it`s h highly modded 50cc with 21mm carb ported polished with a 15:1 compression b.w.w triple stagee reeds lighted crank and balanced ,ducati coil and one off made billit crankcasings
bro it`s h highly modded 50cc with 21mm carb ported polished with a 15:1 compression b.w.w triple stagee reeds lighted crank and balanced ,ducati coil and one off made billit crankcasings
As long as its 50CC then i got no problem with racing it. Oh and do you live in ohio or what?
LMAO billet cases. black widow reeds...lighted crank.
who makes these parts? Are those polini cases? Polini crank? Why are you running black widows, might as well run metal reeds. A 1/4mile? How about an 1/8 of a mile? You expect to run a 1/4 mile when your gonna topout in the first 1/12 of a mile. Are you running the same gearing on both bikes. Same tire radius? Is there only ONE variable. There should be ONE and that should be the engine. You seem like a 14 year old to me. Do explain EXACTLY what your doing.
LMAO billet cases. black widow reeds...lighted crank.
who makes these parts? Are those polini cases? Polini crank? Why are you running black widows, might as well run metal reeds. A 1/4mile? How about an 1/8 of a mile? You expect to run a 1/4 mile when your gonna topout in the first 1/12 of a mile. Are you running the same gearing on both bikes. Same tire radius? Is there only ONE variable. There should be ONE and that should be the engine. You seem like a 14 year old to me. Do explain EXACTLY what your doing.
bud when you learn some respect i`ll answer your questions (i sound like a 14 year old )buddy hoop your forehead and take your insults elsewhere
1. Electric motors make 100% torque at zero RPM (loose translation for you no so bright people, Electric = massive bottom end)
2. 50cc PB engines make max torque at about 10-12000 RPM, so -
-So a 1/8 mile drag race is a no brainer
-A 1/4 mile race (if you guys know how to set up) is just as stupid, the electrics will always win.
This in general is a really stupid comparison, and again for many reasons, PB's were designed for road racing, not drag racing, so in this scenario, the electrics would do great for about 2 laps, until the batteries died; unfortunately for the electrics, 99% of pocketbike races are 8-15 laps, so the electrics would be toast after those 2 or so laps.
As for Altitudes motor- 1st, you are killing your credibility by not giving brand names, just rattling off misc. "makes" of parts. But don't worry, I'll help ya out here-
-The only "billet case" I have ever scene in the PB world is made by TMF of Italy, they retail for about $750 with the re-keyed Polini flywheel, which is the only one available, and imported exclusively into North America by Giannini Racing.
-The "lightened crank" quite possibly one of the stupiest things you can do to a 50cc motor, why you ask? I'll tell ya. The piston in a 50 is quite large for such a small motor (all things being relative here) so you need the rotational and inertial mass to keep the spinning in its usable RPM range. You may get some more RPM, but in a 50cc BZM or Polini, you don't need it since their inherent HP and Toque curves are all in the lower and mid range. Not to mention that by removing material from the crank, you increase crank case volume, which again.........not desireable.
Also the only crank that the TMF case accepts is a Polini, FYI.
-Black Widow 3 stage reeds- quite possibly the biggest joke in PB's (at least in the world of Italian engines).
- 15:1 dome? Hate to break it to ya, Polini and BZM motors STOCK are at a scoshe over 16:1, do a little research next time.
-21mm DellOrto's are great if you are a pro at tuning carbs, but in the PB world the PHBG 19r is the best carb going, and if you are after a little more top end the 20mm PHBG is tops, but as of yet, and after 4 years of racing and having quite possibly one of the most succesful teams in Sr. class racing, I have never seen anyone use a 21 on one of their race bike (at least anyone that was succesful that is), they are just sh1ts in PB's.
Altittude, a word of advice, if you are going to make big claims with a motor that you "own", have some pictures, and a few race wins under your belt if you want to be taken at all seriously. Being that vague with claims that big just makes you look like a twit that knows nothing about PB's.
Last edited by DemonSpit : 11-24-2006 at 10:20 PM.
1. Electric motors make 100% torque at zero RPM (loose translation for you no so bright people, Electric = massive bottom end)
2. 50cc PB engines make max torque at about 10-12000 RPM, so -
-So a 1/8 mile drag race is a no brainer
-A 1/4 mile race (if you guys know how to set up) is just as stupid, the electrics will always win.
This in general is a really stupid comparison, and again for many reasons, PB's were designed for road racing, not drag racing, so in this scenario, the electrics would do great for about 2 laps, until the batteries died; unfortunately for the electrics, 99% of pocketbike races are 8-15 laps, so the electrics would be toast after those 2 or so laps.
As for Altitudes motor- 1st, you are killing your credibility by not giving brand names, just rattling off misc. "makes" of parts. But don't worry, I'll help ya out here-
-The only "billet case" I have ever scene in the PB world is made by TMF of Italy, they retail for about $750 with the re-keyed Polini flywheel, which is the only one available, and imported exclusively into North America by Giannini Racing.
-The "lightened crank" quite possibly one of the stupiest things you can do to a 50cc motor, why you ask? I'll tell ya. The piston in a 50 is quite large for such a small motor (all things being relative here) so you need the rotational and inertial mass to keep the spinning in its usable RPM range. You may get some more RPM, but in a 50cc BZM or Polini, you don't need it since their inherent HP and Toque curves are all in the lower and mid range. Not to mention that by removing material from the crank, you increase crank case volume, which again.........not desireable.
Also the only crank that the TMF case accepts is a Polini, FYI.
-Black Widow 3 stage reeds- quite possibly the biggest joke in PB's (at least in the world of Italian engines).
- 15:1 dome? Hate to break it to ya, Polini and BZM motors STOCK are at a scoshe over 16:1, do a little research next time.
-21mm DellOrto's are great if you are a pro at tuning carbs, but in the PB world the PHBG 19r is the best carb going, and if you are after a little more top end the 20mm PHBG is tops, but as of yet, and after 4 years of racing and having quite possibly one of the most succesful teams in Sr. class racing, I have never seen anyone use a 21 on one of their race bike (at least anyone that was succesful that is), they are just sh1ts in PB's.
Altittude, a word of advice, if you are going to make big claims with a motor that you "own", have some pictures, and a few race wins under your belt if you want to be taken at all seriously. Being that vague with claims that big just makes you look like a twit that knows nothing about PB's.
ya ok your talking about the caseings gianini had made ,i had a copy of my polini crank copied with some minor adjustments such as transfer and boost port flow we balanced the crank and lightened it by 5grms and as for the b.w reads i have found to have
smoother exceleration with these cases and i`m having overheating issue`s with higher compression the casing have some probs still but still run way better than the polini casings
Last edited by altittude : 11-24-2006 at 10:42 PM.
Well all those links just seem to go to a title page, no specific post, so I really have no idea what you are getting at?????
The little stuff I could find that you posted were just links to other websites about two stroke engines.
As for sponsorship?? Are you saying that you are a sponsored rider for Giannini Racing? Or that you or the shop you are affiliated with carries Giannini bikes? Big difference.
All I want to see is some intelligent info instead of all this crap you keep posting, you don't state what the engine specifics are, you just try to impress with all this odd vague info, and all this from someone that has been at this for what ? 5 months? I just don't get it..
I would still like to see this billet cased motor you made, why not post a picture here on PBP for all to see, might get you a little more credibility.
PS. Learn to spell, learn proper punctuation, learn some sentence structure and syntax. Also with your "sponsorship", you should really try to learn the correct spelling of his name, its Giannini, not gianini.
Last edited by DemonSpit : 11-24-2006 at 11:36 PM.
Yes, I could probably teach you a whole lot of stuff, just ask, but I am still interested in your answers to some of the questions I asked, and I quote-
Well all those links just seem to go to a title page, no specific post, so I really have no idea what you are getting at?????
The little stuff I could find that you posted were just links to other websites about two stroke engines.
So was there something specific I was suppose to look at?
As for sponsorship?? Are you saying that you are a sponsored rider for Giannini Racing? Or that you or the shop you are affiliated with carries Giannini bikes? Big difference.
I suppose I can just ask Frank on this one, I talk to him several times a week since we both collaborate on quite a few projects.
If you really have this billet case, I would truly be interested in seeing it, Frank and I have talked about having one machined for some time, and have been hesitant to do so based on the whole cost vs. reward issue, but you have evidently been able to come up with that answer, so maybe you can enlighten us both.
no prob lets get on msn and i`ll give you some info and pics as for gianini i`ve been recently aqainted with some of his kraftsmanship and am looking foward to seeing more as an afilliate of the shop i wench for has been picked up by him so no i have nothing to do with gianini i`d like to say congradulations speedy sorry bout the mix up lets get on msn so you can see some of the work i had done
