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Old 04-03-2005   #1
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4t x7 electrical problems Help!


I am running out of idea's here, I bought a 4t x7 2 days ago, on the second day I was cruisin down a path, and went through a couple of small puddles, but splashed a little water on the bike. After I turned off the bike and tried to start it back up it would no longer start. It wouldnt even do a thing. I checked the battery and it was completely dead... I took it to a battery store, and they told me i cant even charge it, so i bought a new one of the same batteries. Put it in the bike, and it started right up.
I ran the bike for about 15 min, turned it off, and tried to start it back up and NOTHING... I cracked open the part of the engine that has the magneato/alternator part in it, and it didnt seem wet inside, or dirty, so I assume its not that... I also considered a short, but I dont know where to start looking..I really need help if someone has any ideas please tell me
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the idea is that somehow on most of these 4 strokes there is no voltage regulator or in some cases there is one but it does not seem to work well so they all fry batteries left and right. A simple solution is to make a battery disconnect switch so that once the bike is started the battery gets disconnected or buy a 18 volt cordless drill pack and make a little plug for it and only plug it in to start the bike and then put it back in your pocket.
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Ok, sorry a few more questions...
are you saying plug in the voltage regulator only to start the bike, or plug the battery in only to start it?
Also I have lights connected so will my bike lights work with no battery?
Can I maybe purchase a better voltage regulator that wont fry?
If I wire a switch to disconnect my battery will I then have to charge it instead of the bike doing it at High RPM's?

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the idea is that somehow on most of these 4 strokes there is no voltage regulator or in some cases there is one but it does not seem to work well so they all fry batteries left and right. A simple solution is to make a battery disconnect switch so that once the bike is started the battery gets disconnected or buy a 18 volt cordless drill pack and make a little plug for it and only plug it in to start the bike and then put it back in your pocket.

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Ok, sorry a few more questions...
are you saying plug in the voltage regulator only to start the bike, or plug the battery in only to start it?
Also I have lights connected so will my bike lights work with no battery?
Can I maybe purchase a better voltage regulator that wont fry?
If I wire a switch to disconnect my battery will I then have to charge it instead of the bike doing it at High RPM's?

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While bartw was correct about these things frying batteries, I have another question for you.
Does the bike turn over and just not fire or run improperly? After installing my disconnect switch, I noticed another problem when running in the snow. Water tends to get in the spark plug boot and cause problems. Get some dielectric (sp?) grease and slap it in there. Problem solved.

A drill battery would be a good choice, or I like to use house alarm batteries. Whatever's most readily available will do.
Make sure to wire up a disconnect switch.
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The bike doesnt even try to turn over, the starter doesnt even click, i tested the battery and it was at about 7 volts, completely dead.
I am going to try taking off the voltage regulator and starting the bike up I hope then it wont suck my battery dry... I just will have to charge it every so often from what I understand.

let me know if im doing the right thing
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While bartw was correct about these things frying batteries, I have another question for you.
Does the bike turn over and just not fire or run improperly? After installing my disconnect switch, I noticed another problem when running in the snow. Water tends to get in the spark plug boot and cause problems. Get some dielectric (sp?) grease and slap it in there. Problem solved.

A drill battery would be a good choice, or I like to use house alarm batteries. Whatever's most readily available will do.
Make sure to wire up a disconnect switch.
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The bike doesnt even try to turn over, the starter doesnt even click, i tested the battery and it was at about 7 volts, completely dead.
I am going to try taking off the voltage regulator and starting the bike up I hope then it wont suck my battery dry... I just will have to charge it every so often from what I understand.

let me know if im doing the right thing
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It isn't sucking your battery dry, it's annihilating it. Don't bother taking off your voltage regulator. The solution is much simpler.

  • Once you've installed a new battery, cut one of the wires in a location somewhere between the battery and wherever it sends power to.
  • Wire in a switch in that location, and mount the switch in a convenient location (mine is right next to the kill switch).
  • Turn your battery switch on, start the bike, and shut the battery switch on while you ride.
  • You will have to charge your battery manually, but at least it will work.
Hope this helps.
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Well I did unplug the voltage regulator and rode it all day yesterday with no problems, so that was much simpler then wiring a switch, all i did was unplug it, and everything seems to be working right.
thanks for the tip anyways
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Question Let me know what happens with that

Because I have had the same exact thing happen to me and I'm running out of money to spend on batteries
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Because I have had the same exact thing happen to me and I'm running out of money to spend on batteries
simple fix for me was to just unplug the voltage regulator cords from that little black box, it works great now, the only thing you will have to do is about once every 2 months hook the battery up to a trickle charger, to get it back to 12.8 volts... I just spliced a little hook up in the positive and neg ends of the battery wire, so all i have to do is reach under the bike and plug in the trickle charger
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