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x18 BODY/ FAIRING REPAIR


Ok So. I Have A 2008 X18 Rr Sport Model. And The Fairing Are Good From The Way They Look On Top. But At The Bottom The Two Sides That Go Under The Engine Broke Of. And It Used To Leak Gasoline So The Gasoline Ate Up The Fairing. Is There A Cheap Or Easy Way To Fix This. Can I Use Premade Fiber Glass? And Where Can I Get Premade Fiber Glass?

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Re: x18 BODY/ FAIRING REPAIR

Premade fiberglass?

I'm not sure what you are asking for.

Some autoparts stores stock small quantities of fiberglass cloth or fiberglass matte and polyester resin.

Some boat suppliers stock larger quantities of fibreglass cloth and should have both polyester resin and epoxy resin.

If you've never worked with fiberglass, the polyester resin would probably be the way to go. Epoxy resin does have it's advantages, but polyester resin is no where near as critical on getting the mix right.


Edit: If gasoline ate the fairing material, polyester resin might not be a good idea if you're trying to bond a glass section to the original fairing. Polyester resin softens, and can even disolve, some types of plastic.

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Edit: If gasoline ate the fairing material, polyester resin might not be a good idea if you're trying to bond a glass section to the original fairing. Polyester resin softens, and can even disolve, some types of plastic.
SO WHICH ONE WOULD YOU RECOMEND FOR THE PLASTIC STOCK X18 FAIRING? AND HOW MUCH IS IT? WHERE CAN I GET IT AND THNX ALOT I ADVANCED BRO.
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Re: x18 BODY/ FAIRING REPAIR

I'm still shopping around for an x-bike (gonna try to squeeze it into the budget in another week or so), so I don't know what type of plastic the stock fairing is. If gasoline ate it, I suspect it's one of the styrene plastics. Epoxy resin won't eat styrene plastic, but polyester resin will.

If you want to make a new section of fairing out of fiberglass, then bond it to the original fairing, you'll need to do a little experimenting, first. If you have the pieces that broke off, they would be good for this. If you don't have them, look to see if there is any of the broken edge of the fairing that you could trim off to clean up the edge for the repair. Either way, you need a test piece that hasn't been melted and preferably big enough that it would cover most of the palm of your hand.

Hobby shops stock epoxy resin in bottles that would be about the right size for a project like this, but the fiberglass cloth they would most likely have is too lightweight for a fairing repair. Walmart or a similar store may have everything needed for doing the test. Fiberglass cloth from the automotive section. The hardware section usually has epoxy in dual tube syrenges that make it easy to measure out equal amounts of the resin (get the slower curing type - usually 30 minute). You'll also need alcohol for thinning the resin, eye protection, some type of gloves that won't let the resin soak through (I usually use the medical latex gloves and put on two pair to keep my hands clean when the outer pair gets holes in them), sandpaper, and small paint brushes (1/2" to 1" wide will do).

Rough up the surface of the test piece with some 80 grit sandpaper, to provide a bondable surface. Mix the resin in a plastic cup or something similar. It will be about the consistency of honey. Add small amounts of alcohol until you get it about to the consistency of warm pancake syrup. Thinning it like this will slow down the cure, giving you more time to work, and will make it much easier to get the epoxy resin soaked into the fiberglass cloth. Lay a piece of fiberglass cloth over the test piece from the fairing, then brush the epoxy onto the cloth. As the epoxy soaks in, the cloth will change from white to clear. You want enough resin to make the cloth clear, but not enough to make runs or puddles. Once you have the epoxy worked into that layer of cloth, add another piece of cloth over the top of it. Turn the second layer of cloth so that the weave of the fabric is running at a 45 degree angle to the first layer of cloth. This angle will make the finished product stronger.

Once the resin is applied to the second layer of cloth, set the test piece aside in a warm, ventilated area to let it cure/harden. Once it's cured (a few hours or so), you'll know if the epoxy will damage the fairing material, how well it bonds to the fairing material (try to rip it apart), and you'll have gotten some practice at working with fiberglass.

If everything works out, then you can move on to making a single use form to make the repair section. I've gotta get ready for work, so I'll post info on that, later.
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Get a Plastex repair kit or get yourself some two part plastic welder that comes in two 4 ounce tubes called "SMC hardset filler".Theres also Permatex Plactic Weld too..Its methacrylic based plastic resin and acid that bites in and bonds with the plastic to become one molecular bond again;-not just surface repaired..Thats the best stuff you can use to fix and repair the chinese plastics because its the closest or a dead on composition of the bodykit plastics.I use it to repair everything plastic from midbikes to r/c cars.Even to relocate gastank filler caps on custom projects...Fiberglass resin doesnt eat up the stock plastics but it doesnt adhere or bond to it too well either without through holes drilled in it or grinding it......Peace

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It only took 45 mins with a razor knife and SMC hardset bond to relocate the filler in the X-18 tank for my X-181 project.
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Fiberglass resin doesnt eat up the stock plastics but it doesnt adhere or bond to it too well either without through holes drilled in it or grinding it......Peace
So roughing up the plastic with 80 grit wouldn't be enough for a decent bond? I was concerned about that, since some plastics just don't want to stick to fiberglass resin. I guess that leaves fiberglass more as an option for making fairing parts from scratch, rather than making repairs.

To make a custom fiberglass fairing part, either a mold or a one time use form will be needed. A mold can produce a better finish on the part, but it consumes a lot of time and materials for something you only intend to use once. Molds are better suited for jobs where you need to make more than one part and they need to be identical. This leaves a single use form as the better option for a part you only need to make once.

Start by locating some styrofoam (expanded polystyrene). It's usually white, but sometimes blue. Polypropylene (spelling?) foam is very similar to styrofoam, and it seems to be becoming more common for shipping packing, but it's kinda rubbery, so it's not good for a form. Another common foam is urethane foam (usually brown), but this is another foam to stay away from since it produces toxic fumes when heated above a certain temperature. If you have any doubts about whether a piece of foam is urethane foam or styrofoam, put a few drops of gasoline on it. Urethane foam isn't bothered by gasoline, but styrofoam melts in gasoline.

Fiberglass cloth comes in varying weights. Boat supply and aircraft supply companies that sell fiberglass normally stock 10 ounce and 8 ounce cloth. I've also seen 6 ounce listed in a catalog, but I've never worked with it. If my memory isn't off, all of the cloth I've seen sold at autoparts stores (and the automotive section at Walmart) is 8 ounce. Cloth sold at hobby shops is 2 ounce and lighter. 10 ounce cloth is stiff and can be difficult to fit into some curves. It's best left for high strength applications that you won't need for a bike fairing. 8 ounce cloth is a better general use cloth, is more flexible, and has makes parts with a good strength. 2 ounce can be worked into some really tight bends, but will require a lot more layers to make a part with a decent strength. The hobby shops sell it for uses such as making R/C planes or bodies for R/C cars. If you need to make a small complex part like a scoop with compound curves, 2 ounce might be the better choice, but remember that extra layers of cloth will be needed for strength.

Back to the foam...

If you need to build up the needed shape from more than one piece of styrofoam, it can be glued with plain old Elmers white glue. A hot glue gun (the low temp ones are better for this) is another option, but the styrofoam insulates the glue and it will take longer for the glue to cool off and set. Spray adhesives usually contain solvents which can eat styrofoam, so it's best to stay away from them.

The fiberglassing can be done on the bike, but this will get messy and you'll need to cover the bike somehow to keep the dripping resin off the bike. The better option is to make your styrofoam form so that it can be removed from the bike and do the fiberglassing off the bike.

If you are sanding or sawing (a hacksaw blade, without the hacksaw, is good for quick cuts) the styrofoam, wear at least a dust mask. You don't want to get the stuff in your lungs. The styrofoam can also be carved with a sharp hobby knife or a razor blade. For dishing out a concave area, you can bend an old hacksaw blade to the approximate shape, heat it with a propane torch, then use it to melt/carve out the concave. Keep in mind that the styrofoam will melt away from the hot metal, so don't try to cut out too much on the first pass. For cutting a round hole, find a piece of metal tubing a little smaller than the desired hole, heat it with the torch, then stick it into the styrofoam where you want the hole. Keep in mind what parts of the bike are behind the styrofoam, when using hot metal to cut/melt the styrofoam.

Once you have the styrofoam shaped the way you want it, remove it from the bike and apply the fiberglass (using epoxy resin) as described in my earlier post. After the layers of cloth and resin are applied, set the parts aside to cure overnight. Now we come to the one time use part of the form... Dig the styrofoam out of the fiberglass part. Get as much out as you can, then use a gasoline soaked rag (wear gloves) to melt out the remaining pieces. A dremel can be used to trim the edges of the fiberglass to the finished shape (again, use a dust mask or a respirator when cutting or sanding the fiberglass).

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Re: x18 BODY/ FAIRING REPAIR

that happend to me its dripping gas because the overflow is loose from the carb my plastics broke off the bottom and i used a piece of aluminum
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