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Old 04-08-2005   #21
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Gee Man Thanks That Awesome Tip Will Help Me Tune My Goped Cuz I Was Having Sum Carb Problems But It Looks Like U Fixed Them 4 Me Thanks!!!!!!

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idle is too high (moving) and mixture is too rich (backfire). GREAT THREAD!!!

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what's happening if you're not even at throttle and your bike is already on the move? What does that mean? And my bike always back-fire! I need help!
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Mixture: Mixture refers to how much of each. example): How much sugar added to your coffee. How much oil added to your gas. In this case how much fuel being added to the air passing through the carb. This is the fuel / air mixture.


Rich: Rich means a lot or in this case more than perfect. (example): If your coffee is too sweet, it is to rich with sugar. If your engine is running rich, it is getting to much fuel added in with the air that the engine is bringing it.

"The mixture is rich".

Lean: Lean means little or less than perfect. (example): If your coffee is not sweet enough then it is to lean, there isn't enough sugar. If the engine is running lean, there is not enough fuel being added to the air the engine is bringing in.

" The mixture is lean".

Bog: This is the sound you hear due to a lean mixture. When you open the throttle by squeezing the trigger to the bars, you are letting the engine draw in all of the air it can. If there is not enough fuel added to that air, the engine will not accelerate, it will bog and usually die.

Chutter: This is the sound an engine makes when it is getting a lot of fuel. You may hear this sound at any throttle position including at wide open. Go-Peds® run better with a little "Chutter" at low to mid throttle settings






The H.P. Carb includes 3 adjustment screws. These are the idle adjustment screw, low throttle adjustment screw & high throttle adjustment screw. Some people call them the Low speed & High speed screws, but they actually operate based on throttle opening not engine speed.

Idle Screw: The idle screw keeps the throttle slightly open allowing enough air to pass for the engine to idle. Turning this screw in or clockwise allows more air to pass. Turing it out or counter-clockwise decreases airflow.

Clockwise = more air = faster idle.

Counter-Clockwise = less air = slower idle.


Low Throttle Screw: This screw adjusts the amount of fuel added to the air passing through the carb at partial throttle, or up to 1/3 throttle openings.

High Throttle Screw: This "T" Screw adjusts the amount of fuel added to the air passing through the carb from 1/3 throttle to full open.

NOTE: The fuel added by the Low Throttle Screw is still being added at 1/3 to full open. Adding more fuel with the Low Throttle Screw will affect the High Throttle mixture slightly



In order to begin tuning your carb you must first get the engine started so you can listen for Rich or Lean mixture. We recommend these initial settings to start with:

Idle Screw - All the way clockwise
Low Screw - 1 1/4 turns out (counter-clockwise from closed)
High "T" Screw - 2 turns out (counter-clockwise from closed)





Step 1: If you just installed your H.P. Carb Kit. Push the primer until fuel can be seen returning to the tank in yellow return line. (Primer Note: The primer brings fuel from the tank to the carb. Priming the carb not the engine. Raw fuel is not actually being pumped into the engine. Pumping will not help start a cold engine).

Step 2: If the engine is being started for the 1st time with an H.P. Carb, we recommend you pull off the filter and place your finger over the carb opening so no air can pass. Now pull the pull start. After each pull check to see if your finger is wet with fuel. Once your finger is wet, the engine is ready to fire. Hold the throttle 1/2 to wide open* and pull start. Once the engine starts keep it running at the lowest possible RPM. (* without holding your finger on the carb)

Step 3: Warm the engine up all the way. When you are sure it is warm let off the throttle to see if it will idle. If the engine idles slow, chutters & dies then turn the Low Throttle adjuster in 1/4 turn and try again until it idles steady.

Step 4: Once the engine idles steady, use the low throttle screw to get a slow chuttering idle. If the engine slowly chutters and dies, then it is to rich and the low throttle screw must be turned in, to lean the mixture a bit (1/8 to 1/4 turn). If the idle speed gets too fast with the leaner low throttle setting use the Idle screw to get a slower idle speed. The ideal low setting is as rich as possible without loading up (Chuttering & Dying). Once the low throttle mixture and idle speed are set, you are now ready to move on to the High Throttle Adjustment.

Step 5: The object of High Speed adjustment is to obtain the highest possible RPM under load with the richest possible setting. The richer you can keep the mixture while still getting peek RPM the better. The engine will accelerate, it will live longer, run cooler and respond better. Just adjusting the high throttle screw for max RPM on the kick stand would leave the engine very lean and when the engine is under load it probably won't accelerate well at all and could seize.

Instead, start rich and lean the mixture out in small increments (1/8 of a turn). Testing each new setting under a load. Once the acceleration starts to suffer, you have gone to far. (Go back 1/8 of a turn). It is better to depend on cylinder porting to get peak

RPM than on ultra lean mixture settings. Optimum settings for typical stock engines is about 1 1/8 to 1 3/4 turns out.



Problem: Engine Chutters at full throttle and doesn't rev high.
Solution: The "T" screw is to far open. Close 1/8 turn and test under load until acceleration suffers and then open 1/8 turn. NOTE: Engines with stock porting tend to chutter at high RPM.


Problem: Engine bogs from low speed.
Solution: The "T" Screw is to far closed. Open it 2 or more turns and tune for chutter. NOTE: Worn parts, tall gear ratio with heavy porting, high intake duration, restricted exhaust and low cylinder compression can cause low speed bog.


Problem: Engine idles but slowly dies.
Solution: The low speed screw is to far open. Turn in 1/8 turn at a time until idle cleans up. If idle speed is to fast after adjustment slow the idle down using the idle screw.


Problem: Engine idles smooth but runs poor under load unless throttle is full open.
Solution: The low speed screw is to far in. Turn idle screw all the way clockwise and set a low idle using the low throttle screw.


Problem: Engine idles fast and stalls when you try to slow idle speed down.
Solution: These are the symptoms of an intake leak. Go-Peds
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usually leak at the manifold to cylinder gasket. Make sure the carb mount screws arent' going to far through the manifold and causing an air leak. Screw marks or cuts in the gasket are a tell-tell sign of screw interference. You can check for leaks with the ped running. Spray WD-40 around the manifold, if the idle speed changes you have a leak.
I have a pbu sleeper kit with dual boost ports,ada reed,jet pro pipe,velocity stack with filter,rocket key.What main jet will be the best for my set up?Thanks for any help.
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Sorry to be such a newbie, but does anyone have pictures of these screws? On the carb of my X1, I only saw a philips screw and a non-philips screw. I don't see a third, and I don't know which is a high speed/low speed screw and which one is the T screw.
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make sure you're talking about the right type of carb. This thread is about a high performance carburetor not the stock ones that come with the bike...althought you still need to tune the stock ones
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There is also a thread that tell's you how to tune a stock carb. But since this thread has been dug out I have a question about. Is this the correct way to tune a Walbor 16.5mm purge carb?

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hye I just got a ported stock carb and I also have a ported head and some other few mods. But I don't have any bottom end what so ever.. I have great top end and the bike doesn't bog out or anything on the top.. It bogs out bad on the bottom... I noticed that the thread was saying that it doesn't have enough gas in it for it...... What setting do I mess with with the stock 47cc carb. I know it has something to do with the C clip on the nedle in the carb.
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hye I just got a ported stock carb and I also have a ported head and some other few mods. But I don't have any bottom end what so ever.. I have great top end and the bike doesn't bog out or anything on the top.. It bogs out bad on the bottom... I noticed that the thread was saying that it doesn't have enough gas in it for it...... What setting do I mess with with the stock 47cc carb. I know it has something to do with the C clip on the nedle in the carb.
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It sounds like your running lean but before your mess with the carb see if your fuel line is pinched under the fuel tank and your breather hole in your gas cap is clear. And as far as the c clip on the needle I think there is 4 notches that you can put that c clip on the needle so you may try a different notch until you hit the notch that works best for you.
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hey guys i have a low idle on my stock carb on my X1, so i turned the ide screw in a little and it keeps it running, but when i have to start it i have the biggest probem, espescially when i stret it and ride for like 15 min and then shut it off and go ack to riding it wont turn n i have to use the electric start whih i dont want to use.

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If your port job was done to big you lose all bottom but your top end will seem better.Hope its not your head but any carb tunning wont help.I've been there done that.I had to get another head.There is a guy on the site that you can get a bbk with boost port with fcsc installed in a new case for under $170.00.If you want the info pm me.
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hye I just got a ported stock carb and I also have a ported head and some other few mods. But I don't have any bottom end what so ever.. I have great top end and the bike doesn't bog out or anything on the top.. It bogs out bad on the bottom... I noticed that the thread was saying that it doesn't have enough gas in it for it...... What setting do I mess with with the stock 47cc carb. I know it has something to do with the C clip on the nedle in the carb.
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ooo I already fixed it man, and it was the carb.. I just had to move the c clip on the needle down one. It has bottom end now, but not like a ton like you said you will loose some bottom end. I got reeds comming in the mail and I might just get a different rear sprocket, and then I'm calling it good. I need some new pistions rings too and thats it. I will be flyin.. Thanks for the info though.
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