well i guess were all FU*** NOW !!!!
i just found this on WSP website going to Seattle Police DEPT. ie the police officer that gave me the tickets!!!!! pricks
shiet! Now goes all the fun now...stupid fcukers, wholesale buyers just had to ruin it by making it big up here. I feel like vandelizing something in seattle with graffiti saying "pockers bikes 4ever you fcukers!" in very big letters. I blame this on those suburb rats who get scared of everything.
Yes This Is Really B. Wit The Fat S! They Made It To Big Up Here! So How Much Was Ur Ticket For And What Did They Say? So What Next??? Lets Rally!!!!!!!! 2 0 Sixxerz!!
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First of all check out my new ICON to the left lol.....well if i dont fight the ticket its going to cost me $303 big one ...but trust me im fighting this one @#$%ers..and i have and or can get 3 people saying that i was not wrong lol lol my wife thinks im nuts but im think im going to go down and get a trip permit and tape it on the back of my jacket and ride it again lol.....you know if this is going to be made a law saying that pb are not to be riden then me personaly i want the citys segways,scooters and most of all get them bikcylces off the DAMM STREETS TOO!!!!!!...so since i own a sign shop im going to make a few stickers for my cars and make a few signs and post them right by my house being that the West seattle police dept. is only a few blocks away from my house and they go up and down the street from my house ...just need to think of something good but not too bad that ill goto jail over...i do like one of this websites sponcers stickers thoe ......any ways if anyone has a go saying do let me know
Bud
so since i own a sign shop im going to make a few stickers for my cars and make a few signs and post them right by my house being that the West seattle police dept. is only a few blocks away from my house and they go up and down the street from my house ...just need to think of something good but not too bad that ill goto jail over...i do like one of this websites sponcers stickers thoe ......any ways if anyone has a go saying do let me know
Bud
if its not broken get a bigger hammer!!
yeah how bout a sign placed all over the southend and west satwn area sayin "CAUTION: Police Brutality Zone" hahah and have stick figures and shiet....hahah.... a friend of mines was shot and killed by the police jus 2 weeks ago on othello ..it was on the news he was da one that stabbed the RB coach... but POLICE SHOULD NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO KILL A MINORITY!!! i don;t under stand why they couldnt just shoot him in the leg.... BTW the medical examiners said there were more bullets on the neck area and only 1 on the leg.... Why can;t we have the rights to talk back at the cops and they have the rights to do so ....VIOLENTLY!!!
Oh yeah and currupted po pos..... i work at the RB QFC and 2 dudes stole some meat and everybody went after them and only got one of the dudes.... it took the po pos 45 mins to show up and take the guy away..... and they also called and said "WE BE DOWN THERE WHEN THERE ARE UNITS AVAILABLE" i know because I picked up the phone....OMG the station is just on othello (3 mins away).....hella dumb....
Oh and GUYS.... Wholesalers are kind of the fault because they go ahead and sell it to those with money and does not tell them (buyers) the law and consequences!!!! we know because we (me and seattle206 and others) went to many retailers and they don;t say jack about it.....Now you get it?
Oh and GUYS.... Wholesalers are kind of the fault because they go ahead and sell it to those with money and does not tell them (buyers) the law and consequences!!!! we know because we (me and seattle206 and others) went to many retailers and they don;t say jack about it.....Now you get it?
so when I buy a car and the dealer doesn't tell me not to speed, run red lights, drive under the influence..etc...etc. Its his fault?
if I purchase beer at my local qfc, and decide to drink it, then drive and I kill someone, its the QFC's fault?
I'm not trying to put you down, but I do believe your logic is flawed to say the least. Every morning you wake up you have to take responsiblity for your own actions. If you get arrested for something, or a traffic ticket, even if its a law you do not already know, go ahead and and explain that to a judge. He will most likely tell you what a judge told me when I was about 17 and got a speeding ticket. I explained to the judge that I did not know the speed limit changed from 50 to 35, he explained to me that ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law.
I don't blame others for my mistakes, if there is a law out there that I should know about, its my fault for not knowing. The police are not our enemies in this, believe it or not they are trying to keep kids off the roads with dangerous improper vehicles. I have no true love for the police in general, but I do know how to live with and around them peacefully.
guys, you can get track time with www.nwminimoto.com, they are good peeps, and will teach and inspire you towards better and more enjoyable riding. The last thing we need here in washington is a road accident involving a pb. that basically acts as the nail in the coffin and tells anyone that thought ill of pbs (including midis) that they were right, and pbs should be banned, including the sale of bikes and parts, not just riding.
wether you like it or not, your actions can have an impact on the sport in general, and theres plenty of people out there that would like to make it possitive to the outside public. the more positive, the better for all of us to ALL get along easilly.
No, we are not *ALL* fu***ed, only the peeps that wanna ride their little poser bikes around on the street and try to look cool are fu***ed. Those of us who only ride these things on closed tracks, where they are supposed to be, will be just fine....
No, we are not *ALL* fu***ed, only the peeps that wanna ride their little poser bikes around on the street and try to look cool are fu***ed. Those of us who only ride these things on closed tracks, where they are supposed to be, will be just fine....
Naw, were fooked. They just discovered another potential source of ticket revenue. <the sky is falling, the sky is falling>
Could you please give the names and locations of the tracks in Washington where we can ride legally? Iam sure we'll all would like to know. I would anyway. Tnx.
Next ride time: Probably 6:30 PM Friday October 1 or 11 AM Sunday October 3rd, depending upon weather. If it is raining Friday, then we will try for Sunday. Location will be the Fry's parking lot near south boeing field off of I-405 on the West side of the freeway. For confirmation of times for this date, call Mitch at 206 999 6160.
that was copied from www.nwminimoto.com they still use alot of parking lots but at least its off the streets, they are also growing, and will most likely be the states best bet to get real track times, and so forth.
Next ride time: Probably 6:30 PM Friday October 1 or 11 AM Sunday October 3rd, depending upon weather. If it is raining Friday, then we will try for Sunday. Location will be the Fry's parking lot near south boeing field off of I-405 on the West side of the freeway. For confirmation of times for this date, call Mitch at 206 999 6160.
that was copied from www.nwminimoto.com they still use alot of parking lots but at least its off the streets, they are also growing, and will most likely be the states best bet to get real track times, and so forth.
Thanks Black Angel. I saw that at nwminimoto. Iam gonna do my best to get out there friday. I'm anxious to get my azz handed to me by some of you vets. Maybe pick up some pointers and skills along the way. I learn best that way.
So anywhere else? Thats one group. The last poster made it sound like there was a racetrack on every corner. I just wanted him to list a few and put his money where his mouth was. There was a little sarcasm in the question, but I truly do want to know where all the legit spots are. Tracks, good parking lots, roofs, alleys, driveways, whatever. If its in washington and we can ride there, I'd like to know.
Iam going to start asking some local businesses in the area for parking lot permissions. If I get any takers, I'll let you guys know. We need an established list of nw places to ride, downloadable permission/waiver forms for specific lots. And an event calender that is two weeks or so advance notice. <imho>
Tnx again for a real reply though. I'm gonna try to hit fry's on friday.
Iam going to start asking some local businesses in the area for parking lot permissions. If I get any takers, I'll let you guys know. We need an established list of nw places to ride, downloadable permission/waiver forms for specific lots. And an event calender that is two weeks or so advance notice. <imho>
thats the best you can do for the time being, things will improve, its like any sport, you gotta work to make it happen.
nwmm also has waiver forms for download, its a start at least for making some of your own, just be sure to remove their names from it, and its really best to get persmission (being their site and all) but I don't foresee any probs..
hope you get out this friday, i'm going camping, but I really need to get out there some more, and don't worry bout getting trounsed on, happened to me, and I learned from it... oh wait, still happens to me lol
So anywhere else? Thats one group. The last poster made it sound like there was a racetrack on every corner. I just wanted him to list a few and put his money where his mouth was..
Jeez, I just reread my post and I don't see one thing in it that says there are racetracks everywhere, that subject was NOT the subject of the post. I am VERY aware of what is and what IS NOT available around this area to ride on. As far as putting my money where my mouth is... for the last two years I've been driving down to Oregon at least once a month during the race season just to race pocketbikes. I do that not just because I love racing pocketbikes, but because I support local racing and that is as local as we have had. NWminimoto wasn't around when I started racing but I have been to one of their races so far, and just spent 4 days with them racing down in Las Vegas. Mitch and Chris are great guys and I will support them in any way I can. Give them support, help them grow, and *wham*... ya gots some great local racing! Simple ey?
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Iam going to start asking some local businesses in the area for parking lot permissions. If I get any takers, I'll let you guys know. We need an established list of nw places to ride, downloadable permission/waiver forms for specific lots. And an event calender that is two weeks or so advance notice. <imho> Tnx again for a real reply though. I'm gonna try to hit fry's on friday.
NOW at least you're talking like someone who wants to race, not someonw whining about it being illegal to ride on the streets. Keep that attitude going, stay off the streets... and you and I will have *NO* problems getting along just fine. Hope to see you sometime at a nwminimoto race!
Man if pb's are banned from bike lanes, sidewalks streets, then so should bicycles. A pb and bicycle is basicly the same except ones taller with no engine. A kid can just get on a bike and run into a person on the sidewalk just as easily as a pb, a dude riding his bicyle on the street could get hit by a car just as easily as a pb. Since midbikes and shiet are banned from the streets so should scooters and mopeds. <off topic>Also I think stateboards should also be banned from the sidewalks too. One mistake and you can send a board flying torwards somebodies head.
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No one is f'ed up, screwed etc... unless you bring it on yourselves in which case you may get your bike taken for good, fined and ticketed.
Since purchasing my first China bike in Nov of last year I have been organizing weekly parking lot gatherings to get poeple off the streets and into an enviroment that is structured meaning a course set up with multiple corners, straights that resemble a road racing course and not the boring nascar oval. These bikes are meant to race weather you have a China knockoff of Euro piece of art!!!
We strongly recommend not riding the bikes on the streets-sidewalks-trails (No park and Rides) or any parking lots that are occupied with pedestrains.
We have recently been gathering at 2 locations. Fry's and the Kirkland location. This Friday night will more than likely be the Kirkland location at 7pm. Then Sunday at 11am we will be at Fry's. (Both are weather pending) you can give me a shout to verify. We will have the website updated by noon tomarrow (Friday).
We are also establishing a Northwest Pocket bike racing organization that will be linked to the national organization. We will have 3-4 tracks to race and practice. We are also looking for a wharehouse or any covered parking lot that we can rent out at least one night per week during the winter or when the weather is bad. Anyone have any leads please call either Christopher or myself.
All are more than welcome to come, watch, race or just hang with no pressure whatsoever to run the track. If anyone wants advise on running the track, tuning the bikes etc just ask.
If you want to run the course then here are some safty regulations so that everyone goes home in one piece.:
Helmets must be ridden at all times. *** approved, Snell 95 or equivalent. Eye protection of some type is required. Minimum: · Suitable protective attire made of durable fabric must cover the entire body.
Prefered: Suits made of leather or a combination of leather and durable fabric with protective armor are preferred. · Knee, and elbow protection is mandatory.
· Gloves must be made of leather or other durable fabric and must be in good shape without holes except for breathing holes. Severely damaged or worn gloves are unacceptable.
· Footwear must cover the ankle fully. Motorcycle or racing shoes designed for pocketbike racing are recommended.
· Junior racers must wear a motocross style full chest / back protector or a spin protector.
· All minors must have a legal guardian present to sign all waivers in order to participate. If a legal guarding is not present, a notarized affidavit indicating the acting guardian must be provided.
· All final decisions made by the NWMiniMoto or its officials cannot be protested.
· Riders are responsible for inspecting their bikes before riding. They must be checked for the following:
A. Any leaks
B. Working kill switch
C. Loose parts, nuts & bolts
D. Working front & rear brakes
E. Tires must be in good condition and not showing any signs of excessive wear.
F. Foot pegs must be in good condition with no metal showing and covered with material that will not damage the racing surface. Teflon, rubber or plastic are acceptable coverings.
G. Bike must have a full or half fairing H. All frames, wheels, and swing arms must be free of cracks & all welds must be stable
H. NWMiniMoto has the right to inspect any bike, for ANY reason, with no cost incurred to NWMiniMoto.
General Track Safety Rules, Riding
1. All travel on the racetrack and pit lane will be one-way, in one direction. Racers must not travel backwards on the racetrack unless instructed by race officials. 2. Weaving at any time to break a draft or prevent a pass, reckless weaving for any purpose or dangerous or overly aggressive riding will result in the Race Director presenting a black flag to the racer in question. Whenever a black flag is presented, the racer in question must pull off the track immediately. 3. Passing safely is the responsibility of the overtaking vehicle. It is however critical that riders follow somewhat predictable lines so that riders who desire to pass can do so safely. If a rider does not allow others to pass, or rides with wildly inconsistent lines that pose a danger to other riders, they may be removed from the track. 4. Any racer slowing or planning to exit the track must signal their intentions by raising an arm and signaling the racers behind them. Racers must never cut across the track in front of other racers. 5. If you run outside the cones, re-enter the track only at the pit entrance of the track (main entrance) unless directed safely to re-enter by a track official. 6. Crew and family members are not allowed on the racetrack for any purpose unless racing has been halted. 7. If a cone or marker is disturbed, do not stop your bike and move it. Do not stop for any reason on the track unless directed to do so by an official. 8. If you see any unsafe debris or fluids on the track notify a track official immediately. 9. The speed limit off of the racing surface is 10 mile per hour. This pertains to all vehicles in the pit, paddock and all access roads. 10. NWMiniMoto reserves the right to refuse participation in an event for whatever reasons it deems appropriate. 11. It is the responsibility of each racer to fully understand the rulebook and all information contained.
No, we are not *ALL* fu***ed, only the peeps that wanna ride their little poser bikes around on the street and try to look cool are fu***ed. Those of us who only ride these things on closed tracks, where they are supposed to be, will be just fine....
FYI guys... a indoor track is in the works right now. it will be located close to IKEA in Kent.
Roughly 1700 SqFt.
I'll release more details as they come in.
Right now, I will not disclose who is involved, word is, they will be signing the lease tomorrow.
Man if pb's are banned from bike lanes, sidewalks streets, then so should bicycles. A pb and bicycle is basicly the same except ones taller with no engine. A kid can just get on a bike and run into a person on the sidewalk just as easily as a pb, a dude riding his bicyle on the street could get hit by a car just as easily as a pb. Since midbikes and shiet are banned from the streets so should scooters and mopeds. <off topic>Also I think stateboards should also be banned from the sidewalks too. One mistake and you can send a board flying torwards somebodies head.
no offense, but thats just playing sour grapes. Yes an accident can happen at any time, with just about anything. Just because non motorized vehicles are allowed on bike lanes and sidewalks, it doesn't mean that a pb should be allowed. You cannot compare them with anything else. the fact remains, its not safe to ride on streets, no matter how legal you think it should or shouldn't be. alot of the riders that are on the streets and/or want to be on the streets are really to young to be on streets period. theres a reason your not allowed to drive a car until your 16, and its not because of the size of a car, its because younger people really aren't that aware of what happens on a road, and how much can happen while on the road, or even the rules of the road. there might be some exceptions to this rule with some individuals, but honestly, if you think your the exception (that being a broad and general statement, not pointing at anyone in particular) if you think your the exception to the rule, its most likely that your part of the problem. the same goes for pb's. just because you think your a safe rider, or that you follow rules on the road, it doesn't mean your actually safe. chances are that your desire to ride overwhelms common sense for safety of yourself, and of others around you.
if we all pool in together, we can create a very good racing community in our area, promote pocketbikes how they should be, make the public see them as a good and fun sport. this will legitimise them in the eyes of the general public. you never see a go-kart on the road, but you never see anyone complaining about go-karts either. the sport stayed true to form the whole time, and now its constantly getting more members, better karts and more tracks. the public loves it, and appreciate how its grown and developed. There is no reason pocketbikes can't do the same, but its up to all of us in pocketbikes infancy to make this happen.
pocketbikes are meant for track use, plain and simple, just cause it looks like a real bike scaled down, and just because some have poorly made blinkers and tail lights, doesn't mean its safe for street use. your only fooling yourself if you think otherwise, and your only hurting others who want to make pocketbikes better.
be safe out there, and get some enjoyment.
Mitch! grats to you and Chris for vegas, way to represent!
I am VERY aware of what is and what IS NOT available around this area to ride on. As far as putting my money where my mouth is... for the last two years I've been driving down to Oregon at least once a month during the race season just to race pocketbikes.\snip\
Sorry if you felt dissed, I wasn't tryin to rip ya too bad. But the above quote is exactly my point. "What IS NOT available around this area" . I don't see examples you listed of places you CAN ride. And I have no particular desire to drive across state lines to ride my chinese wannabe (or maybe its a neverwas). I also realize its bad news for all of us if we ride in the street. So I asked you a "where then?" question.
As far as riding in the street goes... What would be kind of cool is a sanctioned city street course. Like riding behind the gokarts in the strawberry festival in marysville when they run through town. That would be a hoot.
And yes I know about NWMinimoto. I was on thier site before I even owned a pb. Watching thier videos was one of the reasons I had try one myself. Everytime I post on this subject I feel like NWMM guys are reading and thinking, Hey, what are we, chopped liver? So for the record....
The NWMM crew are the gods of pocketbiking in the northwest. They do more for the sport up here and work harder at it than ANYONE else. If it does become regular and legit up here, we no doubt will have them to thank for it. Keep up the great work guys. I (WE) do appreciate it!
Attn Seattle /washington Riders 
Same here
time to race!!! 
