SMRRC Class structure for 2005 season

I wish the modified cag had it's own class....It will never compete with the 4.2!!
I wish the 4.2's had there own class...That's how the winter series sounded like it was going to be...to set up for next years series...

Are the rules for the unlimited cag class the same,you can just now run a big bore? Or can you run a different reed setup? Crank?Carb? I need a litle more detail cause I'm setting my bike(s) up for next season.Do you guys run different weight classes?

I can't believe they dropped the sidecars.

I agree..They were fun to watch....The only thing was there were only about 3 racing at a time...So that must be why.....Then to boot Dan gets his 2 stolen from him....That Really Sucks!!

I 2nd that motion that the modified Cags should run by itself. There is no way that a modded Cag will ever run down a 4.2 in any sense! If anything let blata's 3.4 out there against the modded Cag. I think with that in mind people won't be wasting there money in a class that they can't win in. Last I heard Cags couldn't use Nitrous on there bikes either .......

But for side cars, I think that since there is a Cag sidecar there would be more people running them out there @ stockton. Sorry to hear about the true sidecars being stolen. Yet that doesn't mean that there won't be sidecars out there. Shoot, I was actually thinking about purchasing one too for next season! Man they look fun!

a little more detail on engine mods for open cag! lets move to a better way on scoring!!big plates suck!pen and paper sucks!... kick down for transponders!!we don't race for free ..i don't mind running with the 4.2's but should be score as a different class...sidecar will be big with the new cag side cars coming out..,it's not to late to change.. did i say transponders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I 3rd the motion of modifed cags running by there self,Because i personally think a modified cag will not keep up with a 4.2 in top speed.I also think people tend to race in the stock cag class because the unlimited cag/4.2 is to fast.

I never saw a side car in action before,But Id like to next season.

i 4th that the cag mod and 4.2. they should be separated

which class would the b1 replica be put in??

I think it would be in the Production class...

Actually the B1 replica would be in the Open 40 class. I know alot of people will say that it has no chance of winning against, say, a 13-15 hp Polini, DM, ZPF, ect. but it is a w/c, 5 port cylinder, motor, which drops it into the Open40 class just like the bike its ripped off from the Origami.

The rules are set based on engine layout specifics, not HP ratings, therefore if someone chooses a bike that has an engine fitting a specific class, i.e. a 5 port w/c motor, you get to race with the other 5 port w/c bikes.

Dang,This sucks!Its going to be a big big challenge for me!But oh well i might as well try..I will still have my cag though.

So first off these rues are not set in stone, they may change . Hopefully we will have them 100% in a week or so.

-Stock Cag
Just what it says, STOCK, no modifications except the following, aftermarket air filter (on the stock carb, carb may not be modified), stronger clutch springs, tires. There can be NO internal modification what so ever, no gasket matching, no polishing ect.

-Open Cag / 4.2
•Cags can have any and all mods, including, but not limited to f/c cranks, big bore kits, billet head kits, aftermarket carbs and pipes, any porting and polishing. The motor must remain a Cag based engine and case. They still may not use nitrous or forced induction.
•4.2's must retain a single reed intake and will be required to have a 14mm restrictor in place over the exhaust port. All bikes will be checked that they are in place, and the top 3 finishers must remove the restrictors for inspection after each race before returning to their pits. Restrictors will be made available for a very low cost.

-Super Production
Super Production is simply the Proddy class renamed to fit the more nationally recognized classes. All bikes are limited to 40cc, 3 port cylinder, and an SHA 14-14 carb, and any production based pipe. No modification is allowed to motor, i.e. porting and polishing, gasket matching, ect.

-Open 40
Bikes are limited to 40cc / 5 port motors, 21mm carb. Any porting/polishing allowed, any pipe allowed.

Again, this is not the absolute last word in the 05' rules, but most likely close. I will be speaking to Matt about splitting up the Open Cags and the 4.2's, but don't bank on it.

Also new riders (first season racing) and Jr. riders must be cleared by the staff to ride in anything above Stock Cags. More specifics on this later.

Again, I welcome all questions and concerns, either post here or PM me.

Vandor, you know how it is. The Chinese bikes will always be underpowered. Though SMRRC will most likely be the biggest turnout, we in the Bay Area will have a couple different outlets for next year. Prairie City in Sac, Kinsman in Dixon, Vallejo Speedway in Vallejo, and whatever they have at LeMans in Fremont. Hopefully someone gets something going at INFINION.

Also looks like 4.2's have to run a restrictor on the exhaust. 14mm so that will suck for those guys.

There will always be naggin' and fussin' but we all have fun right?

See you at either Kinsman or PC on the 16th!!!

Vandor, you know how it is. The Chinese bikes will always be underpowered. Though SMRRC will most likely be the biggest turnout, we in the Bay Area will have a couple different outlets for next year. Prairie City in Sac, Kinsman in Dixon, Vallejo Speedway in Vallejo, and whatever they have at LeMans in Fremont. Hopefully someone gets something going at INFINION.

You are absolutely right, don't for a second think that since you bought a specific bike you won't be allowed to race, you may not really like what class you have to race in, but you can still race assuming you can do so safely. Also like Mo said, there are many other venues popping up that will most likely have a competitve class you can run in.

The masses need to remember that the SMRRC is trying to conform to the National series standards (USMGP) which has been put together and spawned from rules that existed long before the Cags were ever created. That does not mean that they (the USMGP) is not taking into consideration the Cags, there are currently several Cag classes, as do we, and they also run a X bike class, we just don't get the turnout for that.

If a rider is interested in racing and going to a National (USMGP race) at one point or another, the guidelines we are using will prepare you for just that, i.e. you would not be allowed to run a B1 replica in a super proddy class, again just like it's real counterpart the Origami.

Also looks like 4.2's have to run a restrictor on the exhaust. 14mm so that will suck for those guys.

Actually it won't suck, it will level the playing field for the 4.2's, currently this is the class with the most headaches. Many brands come with what most people recognize as a "true" 4.2 pipe, the stamped Polini pipe, the real small one. This by the way, has a 14mm header pipe. The pipe starts at its normal 25mm or so opening and then shrinks down to 14mm. Then there are a few brands like DM, Stamas, Blata and some GRC's that come with a much larger header tube. So if we restrict all the bikes to a 14mm restrictor plate, no more issues.

The other added benefit to this is that, although I personally don't think it will make that big a difference, it will slow them down a bit which means that the open Cags may be able to keep up a little better, assuming we cannot get the classes seperated.

Once again, I must stress that the classes are not yet set in stone, we may change them, and I will hopefully have them ironed out by the weekend.

If any of you guys need help with any of the new Race Places (Like PC, infinion, ect) Holla At Ya Boy ,

and I'll be glad to set rules out there and Tech Bikes! All must be fair on the playing field. But Nitrous will be allowed with the 4.2's, !

See ya'll at Pracie City on October 17TH!

Hey Ted....If the mod cag/4.2 can't be split up....Can they at least SCORE them seperate? ...I personally think it would be only fair....And would have NO problem of them running together...To help save time throughout the day....Could you please consider this...Thanks

Anthony....Man I hope things can work out and see you here in Stockton...You ALL are a bunch of good guys...Hope things cool off and everybody be happy.....Dam you could run without a pipe period and kick my azz.....lol...


Also ...At Prairie City In the stock cag class...That midi (X1?) I was told it was fully moded...It shouldn't be running in the stock cag class....

Steve, I would also like to see that if we cannot split the classes. I will most definately speak to Matt on that matter also. There is a possibility that we will be running transponders next season, this again is by no means for sure, but it will be even less of a problem to score seperately if the transponders happen.

Judging by my count, and I'm sure I missed some people, there should be enough people to run both a 4.2 and a Open Cag class, now I just need to get Matt to do some juggling so that they can be seperate.

steve i know your talkin about the other anthony, but you think if they run the restrictors for the 4.2 and now allow everything under the sun for cag it might be close enough? but also scoring seperate would be very easy to do a C before our name a 4 for the 4.2 and just keep track of points for the end of the season.i like to see enough room for side car i love watching thoughs guys racing....