Rules proposal on-line now

Rules proposal is almost ready for final submittal to the OMRRA board. There are some new idea's being tried this year, and some may think the class structure is not detailed enough, but with everyone working together in the true spirit of intent, I feel any little problems will be quickly and painlessly solved. Bottom line is we just want to have good tight racing that is safe and fair to all and have fun while doing it. Rules are not the fun part, but racing with you all sure is!

You can find the proposed rules at: http://www.geocities.com/team_pnw_minimoto/pbrules.html

I have to agree that some if not many of the new proposed rules seem to have been left wide open for iterpretation. Don't get me wrong, I'm just offering my $.02 Also, how many OMRRA officials will be present during our non PIR events? I truely think as do others, that we need to have officials that are NOT tied in to any team/rider what so ever to maintain a clear/level field of play for EVERYONE. Again, just voicing my opinion. What ever is decided upon, we will abide by. Just want to make sure that EVEROYNE is on the same page!


Cheers,


Big Mario

I hear what you're saying Mario. The rules are written giving the race director more "power" than he had previously and under the assumption that the race director will be fair and unbiased. And, although I do see the rules as being "simple", I'm not sure I see where anything is left 'wide open' for interpretation. If you see some specific things that are please give input and they will be looked at for sure That goes for all OMRRA racers.... send input in QUICKLY please. Although the big bike's have been behind the 8-ball in getting their stuff together, there isn't much time left till we must have a final version to submit to them. This rules process has been on-going for quite some time now and at the very beginning Hunter had asked each of us to submit what we would like to see for rules.To be honest it was very disppointing to see how few responses Hunter recieved.

same page sounds impossible, maybe we can try for the same book?!?!

I think that you may want to contact Ted Simpson or Elo of AZPRA as they have come up with what I think is one of the more rider friendly rule books around in which many if not all of the issues that were brought up last year have and are addressed. If you feel like it, PM me or call me on my cell.

Thanks again for all of your hard work on this Mark. It is greatly appreciated.

Cheers,


Big Mario

Hey Mario,

I hope that you have submitted something to the game other that bringing up past history. If you feel there are holes in these rules, then submit your proposal to help close them. We have been ongoing with this process for some time and it is not as easy as you might think to get a good set of rules on paper. We have looked at AZPRA's rules along with the other major groups such as SEPRA and USMGP. I would hope that you have submitted your proposal. As for the OMRRA officials at non-PIR events go. We have asked in the past to have other officials come out. We will ask that they come out again. We all have busy lives and are not able to commit to attend at every event. I'm happy for those who were able to come and participate this past season. Be assured that Hunter and I will be there for the upcoming events and we will do our best to make a level playing field no matter how many ways one can interpret the rules.



Thanks,



Tony

Tony,

First of all, no one is saying that getting these rules taken care of is/was/will be easy. Especially me! I'm just trying to voice my opinion. In regards to me making a contribution, yes, I have made my concerns/ideas known to those that are working diligently on getting these taken care of. I will also convey my current concerns to Mark in regards to what I see as an open invitation to free interpretation from not only riders/mechanics but also from the Referees/OMRRA officials stand point.

Also, in regards to me bringing past history up, you might be reading too much into it. I'm just voicing not only my opinion, but also that of some of the other parents that are involved in this club. I am also very thankful that volunteers such as yourself and the rest of the crew/parents that help out our kids, do so to help the sport. But I must also look out for fair play among ALL participants, including the officials. As a parent, if I see a ruling or a lack of one, made that affects my kid as well as the other kids in the class, I have as everyone else in the club a right to voice my concerns, just like I did last year as did other parents.

One thing that I see is that most of the clubs in the US have similar rules in regards to the equipment that a kid can ride. So far, we will be able to race in multiple clubs next year without having to change anything on Mario's bikes both for pocket bikes and his MetraKits. I WISH that we could all agree on one set of rules, but once reality kicks in, I also understand that it would be impossible to make everoyne happy. Sooo, I once again want to thank all of you involved with this club, it is greatly appreciated. Just tell me when and where, and we will be there as long as the schedules don't conflict. Next year will be very busy for us with racing. In any case, thanks for your time and good night!

Mario

Hello All;


I just had a chance to sit down and look over the final draft of the rules for next year. Reading through the rules I see the different ideas from alot of people that got involved.

A few questions.

- How did we go from just a few kid classes to now four? Not a bad thing just a question.

- Do we expect twice the kids next year than we had this last year? Just a question due to the increased number of classes.

- Junior A,B,C all look the same, I am going to assume the lap times will tell us were the kids run in which class. All the same equipment, and same work-up. Have we determined what, where, and how these time trails will take place? Hopefully a non race day at the same track on a date all have to show up to to qualify for class or simply go into a class of begginers???

- With the definition of junior GP, I see it as a non class until we get enough riders to take a podium??? Is this true? Are we going to allow a junior A rider that has not qualified for a faster class but podiumed in their class 1st or multiple times to compete in open GP?

These are a few ideas if one of the poeple involved in the final draft could give me a call I can explain myself in more detail and hopefully clear up some of my confusion and help me better understand what direction to go in.

Ben

Not that I'm in your club, but I think your "4.2" rules leave a lot of room open for *****ing and complaining next year.

The thing about restricting the dual reed bikes... it's great in theory but not really effective for what you're trying to do. IMO it's the exhaust pipes on these "4.2's" that are the issue, not the reeds. Dual reeds make some difference, but not as much as a bigger exhaust pipe. GRC for example puts this better pipe on their 4.2's. Even without dual reeds these bikes are faster than Blata Elite 13 Jr. bikes. They kick the crap out of Polini 910 Carena and ZPF Eco 4.2's. I also read in your rules that you allow any bike to upgrade to a better "stock" exhaust pipe from another manufacturer. I think this is a great way to go, but the pipes don't just bolt right in. I'd recommend thinking long and hard about what types of modifications are going to be allowed to make these pipes work on other brands. It would be really easy to do some extra "work" while altering the fit. It would be pretty easy to hide too.

If I may suggest, I'd go with restricting ALL the bikes, not just the dual reed versions. It's about the only way we came up with to "equalize" the lower hp classes. We allow ANY pipe to be put on the low hp bikes but require a restrictor anyway. That way, if someone is dead convinced that the #32 GRC RX is still faster than their #43 910 Carena despite the restriction they can make the investment in a race pipe. It'll still be restricted. If they lose the race after that then they have absolutely no excuses and can't be *****ing about construction differences that they have no control over.

Just my .02 from an outside observer.

Well it might just be me, but I am interested in what the dual reed cage restriction rule was added for. If it was for the Polini 2 petal reed conversion for the series 1 case, then remove the conversion, and everyone should still run a restrictor. If the rules intention was for the Blata Elite Jr. with a stock dual reed, well, don't allow the bike, many other clubs have banned them from the 4.2 class because they are really proddy bikes. 40cc motors/ Blata 5 port a/c cylinder, 14mm carb, and a "4.2" race pipe. If this is the case, why not just allow everyone to run their proddy bikes with a restrictor.

Ben, Ted and Erica,

Thanks for putting in your $.02 . These are the exact issues that I and some of the others in our club saw. I again think that we may need to copy some of the other clubs like AZPRA and SMRRC in regards to some of the bike rules. I also feel the same as you Ben in regards to the class structure. This is all good stuff, keep it coming folks. Nothing is set in stone just yet. Keep up the good work to those of you that are working on getting these rules figured out.

Cheers,


Mario

Ok;

Now that we have opened the door for opinions let me explain my ideas. Keep in mind I truely believe that we are going in the right direction.

I submitted my idea of fair rules. My idea is still kind of old school. I am still a believer that we need to put a cap on HP for the kids. Before all of you get to excited let me explain. As all of you know Bennie in the first year rode an Elite 13 junior. He rode agaist Cody on his GP steele in California and as all of the people down there saw it was a great race. Both were side by side the entire weekend. This raises the question of restrictors. I ran a 14mm restrictor plate and the bikes were very close.

We also know Team Smokin' Pocketbikes all rode BMS last season and not only rode local but rode in Florida, Vegas, Seattle and did very well in all race events.

- Locally let me give some stats. When we practice Bennie and Mario ride 4.2 hp unrestricted and are in the top three to four postions. Then according to last years rules the junior riders had to restrict the bikes with a 14 mm restrictor when the heat races and the main event came up. These same two riders that were in the top four are now 3/4 of a lap down about 1/2 to 3/4 way into the race. We also know that Mario had a bigger pipe from DM which gave a bit of advantage so Team SP went to a larger pipe and again Mario/ Bennie were equal in the machine race again but still a ways down from the unstricted bikes. This is one example of what a restrictor does to a 4.2 single reed.

- We traveled to Florida. We raced unrestricted 4.2 hp against up to 7.5 restricted and had some awsome racing one of the best times we had racing all year we will be back for more. Again with the idea of restricting all bikes takes this situation and puts a kink in the idea. If we restricted the 4.2 hp we then would not have kept up. If anyone saw that kids race they would tell you that the front runners raced hard and it was a close and fair race.

- We traveled to Vegas. We raced unrestricted 4.2 hp again against up to 7.5 hp restricted and had another awsome time racing some of the best racing we have seen in some time. The pipe thing came to head and Chuck stood his ground along with his partners and again it was a call that made the race fair. Then in open class we put the big pipes and bolt on reeds and had great racing again. Another example of what a restrictor plate will do for you.

So the bottom line I see is that if we restrict all bike we will get some reduction of power but what does it take it to. We know through experience that if we restrict a 7-7.5 hp bike it will make the bike able to compete equal to a 4.2 hp unrestricted bike. I know people will came up with allot of what if's, but I know one thing and that is we have now seen three to four different ways of doing things and Sepra and USMGP are very similiar with regard to making it fair. With this said I know they to are revamping the rules but again you are going to be hard pressed to see a hole lot of changes because I will say it again when we raced on their stamping ground we had a time of our lives and we will be going again.

I hope this is not to long but the other thing I see is the way the rules are open ended with the different classes, again I want to direct people to my submitted class structure and it is simple and fair for our small group. This was our second year racing and we learned that being to restrictive in the rules is like cutting your head off. So keep it simple, look at it and let me know if I am missing something but again if we put it free for someone else to make a call without caps we will have someone step out of the lines and will get their feelings hurt unless you can back it with a writen reason of why they cant do something. The kids all ride at different levels and we need to look at this and make it work. You have to ask yourself are we developing future big bike riders or are we not. Are we having fun or are we not. I ask our team members this question alot and when we looked at it, we all had the same idea that if we could race in Florida and Vegas under their rules we would have some fun. So lets make our rule book user friendly and make it happen.

It is hard for me to put all of my thoughts on e-mail but I will do my best. Now that we are dealing with BMS as close as we are I am getting our fire restarted and looking forward to next season no matter where we race.

Lets get things worked out.

So reading our rules I still believe a cap is recommended because everyone can say what if the bike has this and that. I sent Mark an idea and he did an awsome job of merring it in along with the other ideas, now its time to fine toon them, but we are running out of time. So I am so glad that Elo stepped in as an outsider looking in and saw some of the holes. Its never a bad thing to get your work proof read for errors and now we can correct them.

Ben

Looks like alot of work went into creating those rules.

There are a couple areas that I would like to suggest.
There is a vast amount of new racers that would fall into the following classes:

Jr. Unlimited Featherweight
(Ages 7-15) Modified Blata 2.5, Chinese Cagllari-Daytona and other GRC replica pocketbikes may compete in this class. Unlimited modifications may be made to all parts of the motor, carburetor, clutch & exhaust. Engine case must remain stock. No combustion enhancers such as NOS may be used and all bikes must be naturally aspirated.


Sr. Unlimited Featherweight
Modified Blata 2.5, Chinese Cagllari-Daytona and other GRC replica pocketbikes may compete in this class. Unlimited modifications may be made to all parts of the motor, carburetor, clutch & exhaust. Engine case must remain stock. No combustion enhancers such as NOS may be used and all bikes must be naturally aspirated.

This is where the majority of new riders are. Very few China repica bikes are stock to compete in Junior A or Senior A.

If we want the sport to grow then they need an outlet to get a taste of racing. Once there racing the next evolution is upgrading bikes and classes.

Thanks
Mitch
Team NWminiMoto