Ok people, I did it, I have come up with the ultimate solution, this will do away with all the problems of what bike makes what HP, what class each kid/adult should race in, whether or not you should run restrictors, whatever. You ready??
Ya sure??
Here it is..............
Bracket racing, thats it, thats the ticket, doe'snt matter if your bike makes 1 HP or 100, don't matter, each person runs 3 timed qualifier laps, then you run 5 "race laps" and the person that comes closest to their own qualifier time, averaged, wins.
If this sounds overly sarcastic, then good, thats the point, this whole thread has now gone on for 8 pages and 80 posts, and has accomplished exactly squat except to show the rest of the clubs out there how much in-fighting is going on in your PB club, and this is really ridiculous since you have like 10 someodd classes with around 20-25 people showing up to actually race, whats wrong with this picture?? People, pick a few classes and run them, if you don't fit into a class, do what it takes to do so. We have in the range of 40-50 racers showing up for our series in Stockton and there are 5 classes, and though a few people may wish there were more, we don't have the time, or actually the numbers to have Jr. A and B and C and this and that and the other, and for the most part, everyone has fun, and the racing is amazing.
If you are worried about your kid not being able to keep up in a certain class, say 8-12 yr old, 4.2, well guess what, your kid is slow, get over it, don't add another class, you only get faster by racing with faster people, I mean this isn't t-ball where they don't keep score and there are no losers, it's motorcycle racing, and guess what....................theres only one winner.
I have met many of you, and all that i have met, I think I got along with well, and I am happy I got to meet you and see all the kids race and have a good time, but word around the campfire is, that some people are already calling it quits, which means we as a sport are losing riders, and that just sucks.
In reality, I do have a solution, it is completely unbiased, and leaves no room for interpretation by any of the OMMRA racers and will not allow for any biased decisions to be made, and will not allow for there to be any "inside influence",....... use the AZPRA rules, it gets everyone into a class, and is basically the same as ours and SCminimoto, so you will have an easier time racing at these other venues and will not have to write them yourselves.
I for one, now view this thread for entertainment purposes only, at this rate the season will be half way done before you guys can agree on anything that makes any amount of sense.
If this post in any way ****es any of you off, good, maybe it will be some incentive to pull your heads out and put your whiny stupid differences aside and come up with something that works, instead of taking stupid petty shots at each other.
PS Don't bother replying to me telling me I'm a jerk and to shut up and all that......................I already know it, Elo tells me all the time.
Ted you always make me laugh. You are right for the most part that few classes would be better. I took a good long look at what you have done in Stockton and I am very impressed. I wanted to make fewer classes and increase grid size. That was basically what was proposed for the seniors. For the juniors, everyone wants more classes that the kids can run in. That's fine too. But if it makes it too hard to find a balance that will work for everyone, then lets make one or two big classes for the kids. Then we wanted to copy what you have done with the Cag classes to increase our racer base and turn out. And lastly OMRRA wanted a novice program. All the sudden you have a 1:1 ratio of racers and classes. I wish that we could have only 5 classes total, it would make everything so much easier. And I guess the we basically do have 5 classes, for each junior and senior series. More or less that's what we have here is two seperate racing series.
This is another draft we came up with from the Wednesday Meeting. The board will go over this and finalize very soon. http://omrrapocketbikes.com/2005rules/
Can someone please explain the reasoning behind having these two classes as well as the age restriction?
D)Junior GP: Ages 5-12 All pocketbike chassis must be a manufacture production specification. Limited to a stock air cooled 40cc engine with a 3-port cylinder, single or dual reeds, and a 14mm single stage carburetor. The use of any production exhaust is allowed. No modifications to the frame, bodywork, engine, reed block, carburetor, exhaust, or wheels are allowed.
E)Junior GP Open: Ages 10-12 All pocketbike chassis must be a manufacture production specification. Engines are limited to a stock air or water cooled 40cc engine with 3-port cylinder, single or dual reeds, and a 14mm single stage carburetor. The use of any production exhaust is allowed. No modifications to the frame, bodywork, engine, reed block, carburetor, or exhaust are allowed.
To me, it seems that these two classes are basically the same, only difference is the age restriction as well as the allowance of watercooled bikes. Is there that drastic of a difference in HP between these bikes that require OMRRA to make an additional class? Thanks in advance...
It would appear that the powers that be think there is enough of a difference in HP to warrant not allowing the kids to ride w/c until they are 10. To my knowledge, the rest of the pocketbike community (clubs) do not suffer from this same perception, thankfully. However, this is what we have to go with here locally. So, we can make it work, but it would have been nice to help make the transition easier on those of us wanting to travel and compete nationally by being allowed to run the same bikes that we can run when we travel.
Anyway, we can't wait for the season to start. It's going to be a fun one this year
Well here's an added kicker. My soon to be 10 year old Nico is about to get a 4.2 BMS for his b-day next week. This will be his race bike to add to our Team. He has Nooooo clue ...he..he..he
Plus another Junior racer on our Team who will be riding a 4.2 BMS this season will be getting a 8.5 w/c BMS next week to progress to....
What a week. My poor visa card
Last edited by NWminiMoto-M : 02-02-2005 at 03:08 AM.
Alright Nico ! Or should I say alright Dad!!! We are going to have a blast this year. The new faces will be refreshing, and it will be great to see the growth up here.
Now after seeing this thread and following it off and on. I want to say. Thank you for working this out the way all of you have. I am impressed that we do not have the smack down going on ! I would also like to thank the USMGP Regional Representatives that have chimed in on this thread!
My opinion is this people , you are all your own club. If you can or will adapt a similiar set of class structures throughout our racing community between all of the clubs it will help our whole effort as friends and racers to help our kids grow into great racers and people along with making all of the events fun for all racers new and old!
I do not know if anyone has noticed but if you at all of the organizations throughout the country and their class structures the system is working. Most of the clubs rules/classes are almost identical. They have adjusted classes to their local needs and it works great!
One of the goals at the USMGP is to help this along by convincing clubs to work together and share rules and classes (AZPRA<CAPRA<NCMMRA<) more to come . The clubs are coming into a maturity level that I thought we would not hit until next year!
Yes, there are differences between the clubs still and that is great but, as I see here things are getting worked out.The new USMGP class structure is the same as AZPRA base and we have done a couple of minor tweaks to them to fit us here in the Northeast. The 4.2 class has always been a problem and I believe it will lways be until the Manufacturers all get on the same specs.(Yeah right) So lets not worry about what the manufacturers are doing, lets just have fun on their bikes!
We actually removed the 4.2 class here in the NE and have moved the 4.2 up into the Production class for this season to see how it fairs. I have 6 of those bike sand I can honestly say there is no 4.2 out there that can carry my lard *** the way a Blata 4.2 can! Great bike ,small lots of HP! Oh by the way if anyone wants one of those Blata 4.2 bikes I have 6 of them for sale. Make me an offer! (Erica)
Keep up the good work !
The USMGP team thanks you!
Chuck
PS_ If you all do not already know this , Mario Alvarez is now the Northwest Region USMGP Representative
The rules are final as of 2/8/05. Here is the link of the 2005 rules: www.omrrapocketbikes.com/2005rules The website is going through a lot of updates and will be current soon.
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March 26-27 McMinnville
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May 28-29 McMinnville
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