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Old 08-09-2005   #1
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Yeah I had some problems on my old cag, (Got rid of it, now in market for new one) and I was wondering if you guys could help me out. After riding, I usually would put the bike on the side stand, shut off the fuel c0ck, and then just let it idle so the excess fuel in the fuel valve would drain. I'd put the bike away in my garage, and when I left for school the next day, WHAT A MESS! About a good 1/4 of the tank leaked out thru the excess drop-off line, leaking thru the fairing and onto the floor. YIKES! What happened? This happened on other occasions as well. Also, it seems like my fuel filter didn't serve much purpose. After I would warm up the bike after I first got it about a month later, I put new gas in after it wouldn't start, and it still wouldnt run. It would idle, but would bog down after acceleration. I adjusted the idle screw, and it didn't do jack crap. Whats the prob? Obviously, this is a bike that no longer exists for me, but I'm going to get another Cag, and I don't want this to happen. I want to start fresh and never have the same problems I had before. What do you guys think?

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if you dont wont problems dont buy a cag save your money and buy a better bike.
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if you dont wont problems dont buy a cag save your money and buy a better bike.
What do you consider a better bike? A midbike/super bike? If I took better care of my Daytona Cag, or maybe the fact that it came from China, I wouldn't be in this situation right now.....
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the whole hting about cags are they are chinesse bikes, they are cheap, slow knockoffs of teh good bikes

if u want a cheap btu fun biek i woudl say just stick with a cag

and teh fuel draining problem sounds like your float fork in your float bowl needed adjusted

imo, unless your a big racer than dont get a exspensive bike and just have fun with the cags
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the whole hting about cags are they are chinesse bikes, they are cheap, slow knockoffs of teh good bikes

if u want a cheap btu fun biek i woudl say just stick with a cag

and teh fuel draining problem sounds like your float fork in your float bowl needed adjusted

imo, unless your a big racer than dont get a exspensive bike and just have fun with the cags
Good points. I think I will stick with the cag, its fun, kinda reliable, I just have to be carful and take really good care of it after/before riding. Also, Im a dummy when it comes to engines and modifiying stuff. How would I even access the float bowl? Is it located in the carb?
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when you look at your carb on the bottom there is a bowl shape with 2 screws holding it on the the carb and 1 screw in the bottom to drain the bowl. your going to wont to drain the bowl by taking the bottom screw out and drain it into something(i use a clean coffee can). the take the float bowl off by removing the 2 screws. Slowly lower the bowl and you will see a fork thingy but your finger on it so it doesnt fall then take the bowl off and inside will be the float. your going to wont to take the neadle out and shoot some wd40 up the hole it was in or carb cleaner. when you put it back together make sure the bottom of the needle is in the smaller part of the forks.
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the carb is on the bottom of your cag flip your bike over and remove the 3 bolts an ull see the float
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the carb is on the bottom of your cag flip your bike over and remove the 3 bolts an ull see the float
I actually found some spare parts from the Cag in my MX tool box, including the carb, which i just kept for reference. I took it apart and it has those fork things there. I'll remeber this when I buy another 1.
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one thing is also by turning the fuel etcock on and off on the cags they will start to shave and get into the carb that could be why it flooded
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Freakin cheap cags

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one thing is also by turning the fuel etcock on and off on the cags they will start to shave and get into the carb that could be why it flooded
REALLY? Jeez they can't make these things any cheaper can they...
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one thing is also by turning the fuel etcock on and off on the cags they will start to shave and get into the carb that could be why it flooded
why would it shaving flood it? the thing that floods your motor is you turning the throttle without the bike on..and leaving the fuel petcock on...other than that i highly doubt a shaving going into the carb floods it...
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He said he would turn the fuel off and it would leak out still. If the fuel is off and he idled the bike till it died to drain the float bowl and since it died with in prolbably a 30 seconds it would be clear that no other fuel was entering the float bowl now so he had to have a problem somewhere else. I had a problem where my fuel line was not sealing good to the nipple coming out of the tank even with a strong hose clamp. So a wrapped the nipple in teflon tape ment for pipes. When I put the fuel line back on it was a tight fit so i stuck the hose clamp on to make sure it was sealed too. I put fuel in it and no more leaks. Also his fuel filter could have cracked and going un-noticed it could have leaked drop by drop down the motor and frame onto the ground. since atmospheric pressure was still pushing on the left over fuel in the tank. Or he could of even had a craked fuel line or even a cracked tank but with cracks small enough to go un-noticed and leak very slowly. Just a few thoughts....
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He said he would turn the fuel off and it would leak out still. If the fuel is off and he idled the bike till it died to drain the float bowl and since it died with in prolbably a 30 seconds it would be clear that no other fuel was entering the float bowl now so he had to have a problem somewhere else. I had a problem where my fuel line was not sealing good to the nipple coming out of the tank even with a strong hose clamp. So a wrapped the nipple in teflon tape ment for pipes. When I put the fuel line back on it was a tight fit so i stuck the hose clamp on to make sure it was sealed too. I put fuel in it and no more leaks. Also his fuel filter could have cracked and going un-noticed it could have leaked drop by drop down the motor and frame onto the ground. since atmospheric pressure was still pushing on the left over fuel in the tank. Or he could of even had a craked fuel line or even a cracked tank but with cracks small enough to go un-noticed and leak very slowly. Just a few thoughts....
Yeah that sounds pretty logical. I noticed that inside the fuel filter, it looked like plastic shards from the protective area of the thing had broke off. I really dunno, but I figured not to fool around with the filter because I thought it would cause a bigger problem. Is it the fuel filter that could cause excess leaking? Also, would a higher quality fuel line increase performance and prevent carb problems?
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I have a little plastice ball floating in mine too but it doesnt cause a problem.
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Yeah that sounds pretty logical. I noticed that inside the fuel filter, it looked like plastic shards from the protective area of the thing had broke off. I really dunno, but I figured not to fool around with the filter because I thought it would cause a bigger problem. Is it the fuel filter that could cause excess leaking? Also, would a higher quality fuel line increase performance and prevent carb problems?
theres no way th eplastic in ur filter is from teh petcock fuel valve...the fuel flows down not up

most cags have plastic in their gass tanks when they are shipped so most likely that is the plastic that was in ur tank new and if u didnt rinse out ur tank with teh debris thats where it goes check ur lines to cuz they could be clogged with it
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Okay the o-rings in the petcock do brake down and get into the fuel line and they can get into the float and cause it to stick open, the fuel does flow down through the fuel line through the fuel filter, through the petcock into the carb, thats how it is and thats how it can happen, now if thats the case with this bike I do not know and since the bike is gone its a moot point, before you buy your new bike read all the stickies they are there to help.
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I have a little plastice ball floating in mine too but it doesnt cause a problem.
I have one also but I think it's a magnet.
It's more of a cylinder though.
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I have one also but I think it's a magnet.
It's more of a cylinder though.
Yeah it looks like a white thick bottle cap with fork prongs on the ends
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I was talking about the small black thing inside my fuel filter.
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I have one also but I think it's a magnet.
It's more of a cylinder though.
It should be a magnet and to be honest that filter sucks Go to your nearest motorcycle parts store and get the small replacement filters they sell for like .99 cents and while your at it pick up some replacement fuel line. Take your petcock apart, pull out the rubber seal and cut the center out leaving it like an "O" ring.
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