Newbies, Read If You Want To Know What Is The Good Stuff....
Im getting kinda tired of reading the " are these mods any good" ," is this bike any good" , " is this combo any good" " what kind of bike is this" kind of threads....So I decided to make a thread to show you alll the good setups, bikes and parts.....
First off, lets start with Bikes:
Of Course you want a Cag if your in pocket bike forum....
Half Fairing Cag:
so there is the Half Fairing cag, thats what I will talk about first, the Half Fairing Cag (HF)is the earliest type of cag, first made,that means all the mistakes went into this bike, and the welds are kinda crappy if you buy the first generation, there is a 2nd generation, The first picture with the Red Frame and Metallic gray fairings, is the FIRST generation, the Second picture is the SECOND generation,the 1st genenration is cheap and so is the second, just got to kno what your buying...so its the cheapest bike, it doesnt have lower fairings, thats why its called HALF fairing, its easier to work on, it weighs less then the other Full Fairing Bikes, and its better in the turns cause the pegs dont scrape, its an easy bike to ride on, and its a really fun bike, that is what I have, No need to take off the fairings for 20 min and waste your time, no need for lift plates cause dragging pegs, and its lighter, and most people with stock HF cags and Stock Lucky 7( which I will talk about later) are saying that the HF cags are faster then the Lucky 7 (L7)....The first picture is a HALF FAIRING CAG....The Half Fairing Cag has a SY , squiggly line motor, and the ZH-1 motor, the squiggly line and SY are pretty much the same, but the ZH-1 motor is better, I heard the ports are better thus makes it a powerful motor....The Half Fairing motor is a 39cc, there are no big bore kits for this bike....its about 2.5 hp, and gets up to around 27-28 mph...not over 30 or anything like advertised...this is about a $100-$150 bike...
Full Fairing Cag:
The Full Fairing is the same bike as the Half Fairing, but the frame design is a bit different and so is the body, I havent owned one, but from others, this bike has some problems too, I hear that the welds are crappy like the first generation cag. But other then that, its a good bike, the fairings make the bike look like a real racing bike and it does take some time to remove the fairings to work on it, but full fairings makes the bike look great...some people I kno have this bike, and they like it, Its a little bit more expensive then the Half Fairing if your buying from a company...There are no Lift Plates that you can buy for this type of frame, thats only for the Lucky 7 frames..The Full fairing Cag is a nice bike ,but i decided to get the HF Cag to get it cheaper, and easier to work on the Cag cause as everyone knows, cags need to be work on more then riding....The Third Picture is a FULL FAIRING CAG...The Full fairing Cag also comes with a ZH-1 head, or the SY head, or the BD head, or the Squiggly lines again...the BD is also something like a ZH-1...similiar....again, 2.5 hp, and 27 mph....$125-$175 bike...
Lucky 7: The Lucky 7 is pretty much as the Full Fairing Cag but with better welds and body. its more expensive but well worth it, and all these cags fit 6 foot tall grown men...The Lucky 7 Pocket bike is the Newest, and Best made pocket bike from china for cags....It is the best pocketbike, its the most expensive though, it has the best welds, and the frame comes powdercoated stock, and the fairings are made of the best design, but there about 2.5 times more expensive then the HF cags, The pegs are a bit low, so it does drag when you take a sharp corner and lean down, there are lift plates, but I wont say were to buy them on public forums since im not Advertising for the company...The fourth pic is a Lucky 7 cag...All these cags come with the same engine, but the Lucky 7 might come with a Big Bore Kit if your lucky, The big bore kit improves the bore and piston from 39cc to 48.3 cc, you get massive low end compared to stock and bout same top speed or a little faster....These bikes have the SY head, Squiggly line head, and ZH-1 Head, and BD head, AND sometimes the Big bore kit....This bike is again the same 2.5 unless with big bore kit, I dont kno how much more hp it has, but it makes a difference on the low and mid on the bike....its a little heavier then the others, so its about 26-27 mph bike....This is about a $225-$275 bike...
Last edited by Day-Tone-A MX : 04-09-2005 at 02:30 PM.
Now after I talked about cags, now there is the other italian Replica's....First is the Badazztoyz AC Hydra.... AC Hydra:
the AC hydra is a Cag motor, with a big bore kit, with different gears then a cag, and has a different pipe, MUCH better then the stock cag, and it will blow past any stock HF, FF, or L7 Bike....It looks great too, the price isnt that much of a difference from the Lucky 7....its a great bike....its NOT watercooled, AC means Air cooled, WC means Water cooled, the difference is the air cooled looses some power after it gets ridden hard in a race, the WC doesnt loose any power, and you dont overheat while the AC does...The 1st pic is an AC Hydra...about $350 bike...
WC C1, Hydra, B1 Replica:
This bike is all the same bike, it just has many names....its the WaterCooled bike...it is expensive, big jump from ac hydra to this and from cags, but this thing will blow past all the bikes below modded....this bike can get up to about 45 mph stock, and others cags get up to 30 mph stock, 50% more speed, It is approx. 8 hp....its a copy of the Real Czech Blata B1 Oragami that the china copied, It has a coolant bottle and radiotar, and this bike is not for newbies....it is much more complicated then any other bike....Theres a picture after the Yellow AC hydra...this is about $600 dollar bike...The welds are great, the bike looks fantastic....
Banshee SHO:
The banshee is also a copy from china, from the real GRC bike, the frame and body is all copied....The frame is alllll Chrome, nothing cheap here, ALL chrome, the bodies are just solid colors, and its about 9.5 hp....the c1 revs higher, but this bike is somewhat faster.....not sure, maybe gearing, but there is a picture below....3rd pic after the blue c1....the exhaust pipe is simliar to the C1 Watercooled bike....these are not cags, these are other bikes copied....this bike is also Watercooled, everything is well made, but there are some people with a few problems, and on the c1, still, c1 is the watercoole hydra, most familiar name, this bike also reaches 45 mph on stock gearing and its mid is killer.....it will power wheelie, so becareful when you think you can handle it and then give it wot and land on ur butt....
Thats it for the Copied bikes, there is still the Tai Chi, the Polini Replica, and the Elite 13 copy.....not sure much about the Tai Chi, buts its the same bike as the c1 hydra, but air cooled, same motor, same frame, same body, same everything but no radiotor, coolant, or any of that stuff...
Last edited by Day-Tone-A MX : 04-09-2005 at 02:36 PM.
Now, for the Modifications for the Half Fairing, Full Fairing, and Lucky 7 cags...The HUGE mods you can get is a pipe, head kit, porting, and gearing.....
Pipes:
Their are many pipes, there is the Ip2 pipe, Fatty pacsales pipe, the ADA racing pipe, the Jetpro pipe, the Jetpro High Rev pipe, and so on so forth....But its simple, if you want a HIGH revving pipe for top end, answer is IP2 PIPE....the fatty is a copy of the ip2 pipe, i hear its not well built and the ip2 has better top end as the fatty has better low end....the ADA pipe, I heard its good by a moderator on this forum, he said it was good, The Jetpro pipe is for LOW END, AND STOCK and LIGHTLY modded cags only....my friend tried to add mods and the jetpro was like a bottleneck...the Jetpro high rev is a weird pipe, looks different then any other pipe I saw before, not sure about performance, but Its probably like the other jetpro, low end....Below is a ip2 pipe...then a ada pipe....other then that DO NOT buy other pipes....
Head Kits:
Head kits are the biggest improvement in performance, it will increase your sorry stock 9:1 CR to 14:1 or higher, it will make you power wheelies, it will have much more compression.....its the cheapest and best mod IMO, w hy buy a bbk when you can get a coolhead head kit and SMOKE the bbk bike....the bike will see over 12K rpms, even with stock pipe....here are pics of head kits...
Porting:
Porting is another good way for performance, but you wont get gains like a head kit, if your planning going over 40 mph, first thing that should come to your head is a head kit, it will get you over 12K, and when you get the ip2 pipe, and port your carb, and lighten flywheel, little stuff like that you will get over 12.5-13K.....but the porting is done well by some people on this forum....you can do one boost port, or two max, but for my opinion, I think 3 is overkill and 4 is just too much.....But here is a pic after the pipes of my ported head...
Gearing:
Gearing is a big thing when your hitting over 12K rpms, if you want to change your speed with front pinion or rear sprocket, it goes like this, front pinion, when it gets bigger in the front, you have less low end and more top end, when it gets smaller, it has less top end and more low end....do not get a 9 tooth, I hear it slips...and the sprocket is the opposite, the smaller it gets in the back, the more top end and less low end you have, the bigger it gets in the back the more low end you have and less top end....you can check all your gearings, and speeds on this website...
there are many good combos, but me, I would get a head kit, pipe, and buy a dremel and port my carb, and lighten flywheel, and do my own little mods....if you want to kno if ur combo is good, just do this
if its an Ip2 pipe, its good, if its a head kit its good, but the head kit has to be over 13:1, around 14:1-15:1, bbks are not worth the money, they barely get you the performance for the money....same price get the head kit.....the carbs, dell orto 14/14 sha is the only type of carb I would upgrade too....Porting, make sure you send it to someone who knows what their doing.....if you add an ip2 pipe and a head kit in your combo, it will be good, no need for the air filter, rocket key, and all that little stuff, just go in the big stuff and you will be happy I told you....But I am not responisible for any damages you do with your bike or what happened to your bike when you installed it....Im just telling you what you should get....
John
there is a god! thanks day tone, i was getting a little tired of the same questions over and over again. not mad though cause i did it when i first joined! lol
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Originally Posted by Day-Tone-A MX
Im getting kinda tired of reading the " are these mods any good" ," is this bike any good" , " is this combo any good" " what kind of bike is this" kind of threads....So I decided to make a thread to show you alll the good setups, bikes and parts.....
First off, lets start with Bikes:
Of Course you want a Cag if your in pocket bike forum....
Half Fairing Cag:
so there is the Half Fairing cag, thats what I will talk about first, the Half Fairing Cag (HF)is the earliest type of cag, first made,that means all the mistakes went into this bike, and the welds are kinda crappy if you buy the first generation, there is a 2nd generation, The first picture with the Red Frame and Metallic gray fairings, is the FIRST generation, the Second picture is the SECOND generation,the 1st genenration is cheap and so is the second, just got to kno what your buying...so its the cheapest bike, it doesnt have lower fairings, thats why its called HALF fairing, its easier to work on, it weighs less then the other Full Fairing Bikes, and its better in the turns cause the pegs dont scrape, its an easy bike to ride on, and its a really fun bike, that is what I have, No need to take off the fairings for 20 min and waste your time, no need for lift plates cause dragging pegs, and its lighter, and most people with stock HF cags and Stock Lucky 7( which I will talk about later) are saying that the HF cags are faster then the Lucky 7 (L7)....The first picture is a HALF FAIRING CAG....The Half Fairing Cag has a SY , squiggly line motor, and the ZH-1 motor, the squiggly line and SY are pretty much the same, but the ZH-1 motor is better, I heard the ports are better thus makes it a powerful motor....The Half Fairing motor is a 39cc, there are no big bore kits for this bike....its about 2.5 hp, and gets up to around 27-28 mph...not over 30 or anything like advertised...this is about a $100-$150 bike...
Full Fairing Cag:
The Full Fairing is the same bike as the Half Fairing, but the frame design is a bit different and so is the body, I havent owned one, but from others, this bike has some problems too, I hear that the welds are crappy like the first generation cag. But other then that, its a good bike, the fairings make the bike look like a real racing bike and it does take some time to remove the fairings to work on it, but full fairings makes the bike look great...some people I kno have this bike, and they like it, Its a little bit more expensive then the Half Fairing if your buying from a company...There are no Lift Plates that you can buy for this type of frame, thats only for the Lucky 7 frames..The Full fairing Cag is a nice bike ,but i decided to get the HF Cag to get it cheaper, and easier to work on the Cag cause as everyone knows, cags need to be work on more then riding....The Third Picture is a FULL FAIRING CAG...The Full fairing Cag also comes with a ZH-1 head, or the SY head, or the BD head, or the Squiggly lines again...the BD is also something like a ZH-1...similiar....again, 2.5 hp, and 27 mph....$125-$175 bike...
Lucky 7: The Lucky 7 is pretty much as the Full Fairing Cag but with better welds and body. its more expensive but well worth it, and all these cags fit 6 foot tall grown men...The Lucky 7 Pocket bike is the Newest, and Best made pocket bike from china for cags....It is the best pocketbike, its the most expensive though, it has the best welds, and the frame comes powdercoated stock, and the fairings are made of the best design, but there about 2.5 times more expensive then the HF cags, The pegs are a bit low, so it does drag when you take a sharp corner and lean down, there are lift plates, but I wont say were to buy them on public forums since im not Advertising for the company...The fourth pic is a Lucky 7 cag...All these cags come with the same engine, but the Lucky 7 might come with a Big Bore Kit if your lucky, The big bore kit improves the bore and piston from 39cc to 48.3 cc, you get massive low end compared to stock and bout same top speed or a little faster....These bikes have the SY head, Squiggly line head, and ZH-1 Head, and BD head, AND sometimes the Big bore kit....This bike is again the same 2.5 unless with big bore kit, I dont kno how much more hp it has, but it makes a difference on the low and mid on the bike....its a little heavier then the others, so its about 26-27 mph bike....This is about a $225-$275 bike...
Thanks a lot guys, I hope It does become a sticky...It took me like 1 hour to type all that, I hope it stops those little threads for a month or soo, I also posted it on PBU and it got a sticky...
John
Well I said what a cag is, a cag is a chinese pocket, I described all three types of cags, and I gave specs about them, and what motors and price ranges, AND I showed pictures, I think that show show you what a cag means, if not then somethings wrong...
this is 10/10 this should help alot of people about what bike to get i started with a ff cag and now i have a c1 and this thing is fast and if you get the clutch right it will give your bum a few meeting with the ground
This very informative post really deserves a sticky! Any moderators out there reading? Hopefully this will cut down on all the newbie post questions that can easily be answered by doing a simple search before a question is posted. Nowadays, the Cag forum has been so cluttered up.
2 's up to Day-Tone-A MX for the effort put into this!
Maybe you or somebody can do one for the simple troubleshooting problems that newbs are having? Too many of "my bike wont start, how do I do this," and so on is also cluttering this section up.
heh, this one took me like an hour and a half and now I hate typing, but the vbp6us threads, should be the trouble shooting problems...
John
P.S. if they want trouble shooting problems, USE THE SEARCH BUTTON!
I may be mistaken but I thought in the first thread you said there are no big bore kit HFs and that is incorrect as there are some since I have come across a few although not many.
Well I have never heard from my friends hfs, or any other hfs I came across, interesting....hmmm hf and big bore......first generation or second generation?
John
