Your opinions please...
Which motor would you prefer to see in the D1?
Please take a moment to complete the poll. Your vote is seriously considered, make it count.
Also consider these points:
that the Banshee motor is readily available, therefore making the D1 available sooner.
The Z1 motor is also readily available but more expensive, therefore increasing the cost of the D1.
The 40cc option would be for a newly manufactured copy of the "real" 40cc, 3-port Euro engine which will take some additional time to complete, therefore delaying availability of the D1.
If you're not interested in the D1, please DO NOT vote.
Last edited by BansheeH2O : 11-03-2005 at 11:25 PM.
Although the 40cc 3 Port may take longer, I think it would be better in a D1 if its anything close to the real deal.
It gives the buyers a possibility to think about joining a race club and entering into a "Super Proddy" class, instead of stuffing them into an open class where experienced riders with costly motors are running in.
Although the 40cc 3 Port may take longer, I think it would be better in a D1 if its anything close to the real deal.
It gives the buyers a possibility to think about joining a race club and entering into a "Super Proddy" class, instead of stuffing them into an open class where experienced riders with costly motors are running in.
-Dave
good point but there are alot of good riders in every class i would like to see alot more riders in open. i had to race my grc rr in an open with a 39cc w/c because there wasnt enough riders in the class.
good point but there are alot of good riders in every class i would like to see alot more riders in open. i had to race my GRC rr in an open with a 39cc w/c because there wasnt enough riders in the class.
There are great racers in every class, but sticking a new rider into an open class (what I believe is considered the most extreme class in minimoto racing) is asking for trouble.
Plus the open class is expensive if you want to compete! The china copied motors are weaker vs the orginal motor as is, so how much money is it going to take to get a china motor up to parr?
Like I said, if the 40cc 3Port is atleast close to the real deal, it will put new riders in a class that is more "suitable" for them + it wont cost and arm and a leg to modify the motor and keep it tune'd correctly!
40CC 3PORT!!! I am serious here. Ditto to what Dave said. The last thing anyone needs is another 10hp bike whose configuration designates it into open class where it can't realistically compete. We have plenty of bikes matching this description already.
Keep in mind the rules of most pocketbike racing organizations here. Even with mods, you are trying to jump in with the big boys at the deep end of the pool. Lets just suspend disbelief and even assume for a minute, that you could come up with a five port 50cc engine that makes comparable power to what you need to compete in open class. You still end up racing against the fastest and most expensive bikes out there not to mention some of the most talented and best funded riders too.
This is an important decision, please think long and hard about it. I really like the look of all the pieces we have seen of the bike so far. This decision will decide whether there is finally a bike with true race potential out of China or if we will end up with just another parking lot thrasher like the rest of the china bikes currently on the market.
-D
40CC 3PORT!!! I am serious here. Ditto to what Dave said. The last thing anyone needs is another 10hp bike whose configuration designates it into open class where it can't realistically compete. We have plenty of bikes matching this description already.
Although the 40cc 3 Port may take longer, I think it would be better in a D1 if its anything close to the real deal.
It gives the buyers a possibility to think about joining a race club and entering into a "Super Proddy" class, instead of stuffing them into an open class where experienced riders with costly motors are running in.
Any numbers for the 40cc 3-port? No good having a 6hp SuperProd bike either...
-kbarber
6hp with a good race pipe, good clutch set-up, and some other minor mods should make it competative easily. I did pretty well on a 7.5 in a Super Proddy class and that's even without a race pipe Of course I had to use the
"See GOD....BBbbrake!" method
6hp with a good race pipe, good clutch set-up, and some other minor mods should make it competative easily. I did pretty well on a 7.5 in a Super Proddy class and that's even without a race pipe Of course I had to use the
"See GOD....BBbbrake!" method
I thought that SuperProd bikes could be up to 10.5hp?
I thought that SuperProd bikes could be up to 10.5hp?
-kb
Yes they can but it also comes down to whom is brave enough to late brake
I learned my lesson though so hopefully I will be up to power next season for sure.
I thought that SuperProd bikes could be up to 10.5hp?
-kb
There really isnt any 10.5hp Super Proddy bike (considering its a polini motor). The old DM's came with race cranks in their super proddy bikes, thats why those are the claimed hp ratings. Most if not all Super Proddys are around 8.5hp or so (again with a polini motor).
Like Mello Said, if it came out to be atleast 6hp. With a few minor boltons and dialing in the clutch a exceptional rider shouldnt have trouble keeping up.
A legal superprody at around 8+ HP would be just the thing. Building off the Banshee bottom end would save some tooling cost and keep the aftermarket options open. I think nearly everyone saw the extra width and unusual waterpump on the Z1 as less desirable. The time and money saved could be used to make a quality 3 shoe clutch. If they want to try something strange and new try race tires or an optional 90mm 3 shoe clutch. Um banshee footpegs or the XR syle from the Repsol Z1..........
I think a Z1 pipe or a Banshee pipe with slightly longer belly(10MM)and a Z1 silencer.
A legal superprody at around 8+ HP would be just the thing. Building off the Banshee bottom end would save some tooling cost and keep the aftermarket options open. I think nearly everyone saw the extra width and unusual waterpump on the Z1 as less desirable. The time and money saved could be used to make a quality 3 shoe clutch. If they want to try something strange and new try race tires or an optional 90mm 3 shoe clutch. Um Banshee footpegs or the XR syle from the Repsol Z1..........
I think a Z1 pipe or a Banshee pipe with slightly longer belly(10MM)and a Z1 silencer.
Those options will increase the overall cost of the China built bikes in my opinion and would possibly hinder their sales because now your coming into the Euro price range so given the option which would you choose? Most that purchase the China Reps do it because of the price "affordable" but now placing race tires, performance 3 shoe clutch, and a race pipe will increase cost which in turn will take it out of the "affordable" class but if they can provide these things and still keep the price under a certain $$ then go for it.
Keep the bike a 40cc 3port. I just don't think the technology is ready for the Open class 50cc class right now maybe down the line. Reason I say this is because I seen a Open class bike with possibly the so called Testerosa motor and that thing "HAULED AZZZ"! you need a seat belt for that motor and China 50cc technology is just not ready for it if racing is the riders objective for purchasing the D1.
Ok, I see the point on the clutch. The other stuff like race tires shouldn't add that much. Those tires have been showing up on some of the PBP advertizers web sites for between $85 and $105 this month. If we subtract the cost of the cag tires we can guess that the wholesale price difference is around $20~$23.
If running all the Banshee gear as is with the new frame would bring the price in near what the current banshee is I'd be up for one in the spring. Cutting the belly of a banshee pipe a little longer would cost nothing at the factory.
The Z1 kinda has open class covered pretty well for thse brave enough to take the flack for racing a chinese bike in open class.
Ok, I see the point on the clutch. The other stuff like race tires shouldn't add that much. Those tires have been showing up on some of the PBP advertizers web sites for between $85 and $105 this month. If we subtract the cost of the cag tires we can guess that the wholesale price difference is around $20~$23.
If running all the Banshee gear as is with the new frame would bring the price in near what the current Banshee is I'd be up for one in the spring. Cutting the belly of a Banshee pipe a little longer would cost nothing at the factory.
The Z1 kinda has open class covered pretty well for thse brave enough to take the flack for racing a chinese bike in open class.
would be interesting to see but I think price wise it will be more then when the Banshee first hit the market but if the GP3 rep hits the same time then well the price may be less.
As for getting flack I think that is only a myth that has yet to be proven. Most of the bashing goes on online but once at the track everyone is equal and treats each other as such or at least this is what I have witnessed. Everyone is to busy tunning thier bikes to worry about who is on China and whom is on Euro. I try to invite China riders constantly to come out but they give the same responce of "Oh we will not get a fair shake and be treated like step children" or we need to improve our skills but you know what?? You will never know until you try right?
Its good to see some of the regular racers chime in here. Keep it up guys.
BansheeH20...I would value the racers opinions more so than the newbies in this case. Their suggestions of keeping the bike "legal" for the proddy or superproddy class is perfect. Eventually you will have people with this new bike, able to race in proddy and/or super proddy classes. Reason why we haven't seen the chinese 5 port motors in the open class, is due to the weak power. There's no way they can compete with the 14-17hp bikes. Keep the power low, keep it 3 port & 40cc, and you'll definitely have people compete in races with this chinese bike.
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