The Dm Copy Will Have The Banshee 10hp Engine On It With A Redesigned Pipe And Maybe A Rear Mounted Water Pump, Damian And I Are Working On Improving Some Of The Small Engine Problems That People Are Having With The Banshee! The Dm Copy Will Be The Best Performing Bike Out Of China Guaranted!
So this will not be a L7 frame with a 10hp motor right? Just cusrious because the L7 frame is actually close to the DM design if I'm not mistaken. I am curious to see one so keep us posted.
So this will not be a L7 frame with a 10hp motor right? Just cusrious because the L7 frame is actually close to the DM design if I'm not mistaken. I am curious to see one so keep us posted.
uh....in no way shape or form is a L7 close to a DM frame....the DM is a midi bike....totally different from a L7 frame....this will be an exact copy of it.....and dont doubt that....cause if they have a DM sittin right there im sure it will be an exact copy of it
It was of course inevitable that the Chinese would start to knock off high end Italian bikes, I don't think that comes as a suprise to anyone. But what really suprises me, is all the people that think that because DM knockoffs are coming, they will be equivalent to the real deal, or that it will effect the resale value or get the manufacturers (the real DM) to lower the price of the the real bikes, this is simply not so. When the Banshee was released, everyone said that it was just as good as the real thing, and of course it was'nt even close, not even another $1000 worth of work did it. The same 2 years ago was said about the Cags and a year ago about the C1/B1 knockoffs. But still to this day, in a large recognized racing org (USMGP, AZPRA, Stockton, OMMRA, etc.) with a large contingent of Italian bikes, not one knockoff has been able to take even a podium finish.
Before you all start getting your panties in a bunch over this statement, let me finish.
Thats not to say that the bikes are not good entry level, or even mid level bikes. Obviously the price is right, that cannot be disputed, but when purchasing one, don't fool yourself into thinking it can run with the real thing, they never have, and they never will, the day they can compete with the real bikes, they will cost just as much, quality cannot be done cheaply.
If your intentions are to get into the sport for a reasonable price, go for it, again probably can't beat the price, if your intentions (in the purchase of a knockoff DM) is to be able to compete with or even beat a real DM, GRC, ZPF, etc., your in for a suprise, because it aint gonna happen, just keep that in mind.
uh....in no way shape or form is a L7 close to a DM frame....the DM is a midi bike....totally different from a L7 frame....this will be an exact copy of it.....and dont doubt that....cause if they have a DM sittin right there im sure it will be an exact copy of it
uhmm the DM Brutal frame has sorta the same tubular design. Sit you f/f cag up to the banshee which is also a Midi design and you will see the size differance is not that different in seat height.
As for exact copy no way and again if you get a chance to ride a DM then I suggest jump on it then you decide. Again I am not bashing the CHina bikes but when you sit on an Italian like I said you can feel right away the differance in quality.
I think you might be right...it could just be a L7 frame with a banshee engine. The frame is somewhat similar (looks wise) to a DM frame. hmmmmm...interesting....
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Originally Posted by MelloCag
uhmm the DM Brutal frame has sorta the same tubular design. Sit you f/f cag up to the banshee which is also a Midi design and you will see the size differance is not that different in seat height.
As for exact copy no way and again if you get a chance to ride a DM then I suggest jump on it then you decide. Again I am not bashing the CHina bikes but when you sit on an Italian like I said you can feel right away the differance in quality.
The china bikes run with the euro's in the proddy, super, and open class. Only class the chinese bikes have for themselves, is the air cooled cag class.
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Originally Posted by fmk78
wait a minute, wait a minute. why are chinese bikes even being compared to italian bikes anyway? at the races, don't china bikes race with other china bikes, and so on? if every bike is in their own class, then this issue shouldn't even be scrutinized. right?
It was of course inevitable that the Chinese would start to knock off high end Italian bikes, I don't think that comes as a suprise to anyone. But what really suprises me, is all the people that think that because DM knockoffs are coming, they will be equivalent to the real deal, or that it will effect the resale value or get the manufacturers (the real DM) to lower the price of the the real bikes, this is simply not so. When the Banshee was released, everyone said that it was just as good as the real thing, and of course it was'nt even close, not even another $1000 worth of work did it. The same 2 years ago was said about the Cags and a year ago about the C1/B1 knockoffs. But still to this day, in a large recognized racing org (USMGP, AZPRA, Stockton, OMMRA, etc.) with a large contingent of Italian bikes, not one knockoff has been able to take even a podium finish.
Before you all start getting your panties in a bunch over this statement, let me finish.
Thats not to say that the bikes are not good entry level, or even mid level bikes. Obviously the price is right, that cannot be disputed, but when purchasing one, don't fool yourself into thinking it can run with the real thing, they never have, and they never will, the day they can compete with the real bikes, they will cost just as much, quality cannot be done cheaply.
If your intentions are to get into the sport for a reasonable price, go for it, again probably can't beat the price, if your intentions (in the purchase of a knockoff DM) is to be able to compete with or even beat a real DM, GRC, ZPF, etc., your in for a suprise, because it aint gonna happen, just keep that in mind.
wasnt their a guy who won the texas gp on a banshee. it dont matter what your on if you know how to ride.
Ya, against a DM with a blown up clutch, and a GRC that crashed out if memory serves, and the rest were Chinese bikes. They also then went to an AZPRA race and came in like 22 out of 25. Then they just up and disapeared off the planet. All the post are still on here, about that, just have to look them up.
And again, I said a recognized racing club, have they even had a race since that one? Don't matter, again I am not trying to bash them, they have their place, but people selling them go out of their way to say that they can compete with the real thing, and they just can't. So what happens is people buy them with high expectations, and those expectations get shot down.
By the way, the Banshee that won the Texas race also had somewhere in the neighborhood of $750-$1000 worth of work done to it, and it still got handed against the real things in AZ.
sounds like somebody's ticked off that they spent over $10,000 on a buncha pocketbikes, only to realize they could've gotten the same thing for little over a grand! sorry about that. my heart goes out to you!
sounds like somebody's ticked off that they spent over $10,000 on a buncha pocketbikes, only to realize they could've gotten the same thing for little over a grand! sorry about that. my heart goes out to you!
Again, there's the issue, they are not the same thing, thats like saying a Ferrari kit car on a Ford chassis is the same as a real Ferrari, they could'ent be more different. You may think so, but you are very wrong, and I don't have any regrets spending the money on a PB's for a team, it's what advertises our company. And no where did I say I was ****ed, I just want the end buyer to be aware that what they are getting is not even close to the real thing, I feel sorry for you spending $800-$1000 and getting a bike that will never even remotely compare to a real Italian bike, but then again if you never race whats it matter, right.
why did jim adams have the 5th fastest lap time in az! hhmmm and a top speed of 53mph which was the 4th fastest speed! his 3 shoe clutch blew up and tom @ dc forgot to bring extras hmmm! anyway back to the dm copy, they have the real bike in front of them right now and it will be one of the best if not the best copied bike out of china! this china dm will be exclusive to xpbikes and no other importers will have any for awhile! (they have gave us exclusive rights to the bike) more info is on the way soon!
You know one of the main reasons I think the china w/c bikes don’t keep up with the Italians on the track is because of rider skill. China bike riders are mostly new people to the sport who have little to no experience in actual track racing, while people with Italian bikes on the track are the hardcore bunch who track their bikes day and night.
Well I had written a big, long winded response to the last few posts, but I just decided that if you guys believe that they will be just as good as the real ones, I won't be able to change your minds, so I don't care.
But I will make this offer, anyone that gets one of these new Chinese knockoff DM's, that believes they are going to be just as good as the original, I will bet you my personal DM GP 10hp that it (an out of the box Chinese clone DM) can not beat either of my team guys on their DM/ZPF's at Stockton.
If you are an honest believer in the Chinese knockoffs, then it would be well worth the drive or flight to Stockton Ca.
Any takers PM me for the rules, they will be fair.
You know one of the main reasons I think the china w/c bikes don’t keep up with the Italians on the track is because of rider skill. China bike riders are mostly new people to the sport who have little to no experience in actual track racing, while people with Italian bikes on the track are the hardcore bunch who track their bikes day and night.
Sorry, the above post came in while I was typing, but...
This is total crap, if the knockoffs are so good than whats the difference if its made in Italy or made in China?? If it 10hp its 10hp so they should be out at the track just as much runnin their bikes. The only part of this post that holds water IMO, is that I believe 99% of the knockoff owners don't actually race. A container of these bikes from China holds around 200 bikes and literally dozens of these containers come in a month, but I have only seen maybe 2-3 ever show up at the track except Cags (we have 2 cag only classes). The C1, and the Banshees that did show couldent even finish a race.
uhmm the DM Brutal frame has sorta the same tubular design. Sit you f/f cag up to the banshee which is also a Midi design and you will see the size differance is not that different in seat height. 
