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Old 04-28-2008   #401
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that really sucks, how weird is it to find something Cheaper over here than somewhere else, Im used to paying more for everything, Like $4 for a gallon of gas...

if the rep is the only viable option than I guess it helps narrow your search..

as far as the manifold, you can use the stock manifold you need to get the metal tube out without tearing the rubber, then enlarge the hole in the middle of the manifold until it gets to 19mm..

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im sorry but what do you mean by ''a little more''? The original dellorto is 190AU$ and thats without manifold and air filter which probably cost half of that on top!!!!

i could only consider it really if only there was a way to mount it on my existing manifold and use my air filter?

see here http://www.ozminimoto.com.au/product...id=51&catid=72

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Re: Tuning a B1 China replica

It all depends on what you consider easy, and what tools you have...

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hey everyone, i have a Blata SQ and i've already done the 46cc head kit installation and a 19mm carby.
The issue i have with this is still like many earlier that posted which is my squish

With the solder its still not even squashing a 2mm piece of solder.
With all gaskets removed its still not touching.

I read that people machined their barrel but can this be done relatively easily at home?

Its just annoying the crap out of me not having a squish of at least .8mm
What sort of sacrifice in power would we be talking here? and why are blata rep manufacturers so slack?
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that really sucks, how weird is it to find something Cheaper over here than somewhere else, Im used to paying more for everything, Like $4 for a gallon of gas...

if the rep is the only viable option than I guess it helps narrow your search..

as far as the manifold, you can use the stock manifold you need to get the metal tube out without tearing the rubber, then enlarge the hole in the middle of the manifold until it gets to 19mm..
Oh ok is it an easy process? how do you enlarge the hole? Is there a good margin for error?

Or, i thought of another option that would be better for me but i dont know if it works........ what if i get the replica 19mm kit (this one- comes with air filter, manifold, gasket, air filter) , and then when im ready and got plenty of cash, simply buy the PHBG BS racing carb here in my country and mount it straight onto the REP MANIFOLD and use REP AIRFILTER.

This is the rep carb- http://newmanz.co.nz/shop/index.php?...c51f1ea5b9135a

- thats the 19mm PHBG replica right?

Does that option work or not? Please tell me it does haha.

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Re: Tuning a B1 China replica

thats not the right manifold for a blata, but everything else looks fine..

use a dremel tool with the little drum sander to enlarge the hole, once the metal tube is out the rest is easy but it is easy to rip the rubber while removing the tube..

as far as the replica phbg, jetting is an issue because none of the standard size dellorto jets seem to fit right, and overall they are hit or miss some work fine and some dont, the quality control is non existent ...

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Oh ok is it an easy process? how do you enlarge the hole? Is there a good margin for error?

Or, i thought of another option that would be better for me but i dont know if it works........ what if i get the replica 19mm kit (this one- comes with air filter, manifold, gasket, air filter) , and then when im ready and got plenty of cash, simply buy the PHBG BS racing carb here in my country and mount it straight onto the REP MANIFOLD and use REP AIRFILTER.

This is the rep carb- http://newmanz.co.nz/shop/index.php?...c51f1ea5b9135a

- thats the 19mm PHBG replica right?

Does that option work or not? Please tell me it does haha.

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hey nick j thanks for info.

oh man what manifold is that for then? But hang on i seen anotehr site saying its a B1 ''performance part upgrade'' http://www.xminimoto.co.nz/B1&2perfparts.htm .......and someone else fit this same one no probs on this site if i vaguely recall, so are you sure that manifold will not fit?

So let me get this straight, when you guys are fitting these carbs to C1's are you all doing this dremmel business or buying that ****ing expensive blata manifold? I can not afford to spend such money on a manifold with shipping to NZ its crazy.

What about filter, will the stock C1 air filter fit on a dellorto 19mm?? If i can modify stock manifold to fit carb thats cool but having to **** about with getting the right air filter from overseas is going to be a nightmare....

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You certainly don't need to buy a new manifold. Twist off the clamp, and gently pull the tube out. The opening is slightly smaller than 19mm, so you may want to open it up slightly.

You can use your stock airfilter if you buy the 60mm velocity stack. It's a Dellorto part. Another option is to use a generic cag air filter, which works in a pinch.
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its so frustrating the way here i cant just buy the velocity stack to make it work. Id have to get it from overseas, doubling the money of the entire carb operation.

cag air filter, is the cag air filter this one? http://newmanz.co.nz/shop/index.php?...products_id=11

Isnt it rubbish compared to these biggere filters already on stock C1?? Or is an air filter an air filter and i needn't worry about hindering the carb performance?

I wouldnt want to install a major bottleneck so yeah just making sure.

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oh yeah and what about carb size guys? Ive been searching and it seems a good while back people were saying 19mm too doesnt give good mid range and low power and better off going for 17.5/18... but recently i only heard people talkign of 19mm so what do people think for 39cc C1? 19mm PHBG BS? or smaller?
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i would just go with a 19mm phbg with the trevor recommended setup
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ok i have a question. How do you take the engine off of the bike??
Ive been going for an hour and a halfand i im starting to worry about losing bits and forgetting how to put it together.

First of all i took the exhaust off which took ages, then i took out the engine mount screws, then i took off the wheel and chain and now i dont know whether to take off the carb from the inlet manifold or take off the wire from the from the throttle instead??

The carb from manifold option seems the best cause i dont have to worry with screwing about with throttle cables but it is next to impossible to get those 4 screws out.... what do you guys do?

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ok mate remove the chain from the pinion disconnect all hoses from the motor to raditor and water bottle revmove the throttle cable revmove the kill switch wire and take out slowley make sure you keep all nuts and bolts in a container anddo it slowley try and reconise what bolts come from where
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Thanks. Take out throttle cable from throttle or carb? Whats easier?

Ok i've actually got it off now anyway, just not sure what's the best/fastest way.

Ok ive ruined my head gasket, it was stuck to both the head and the block so i could only tear it off... looks like i need a new gasket, is it easy to make another since i only need one? Just saves having to buy a new complete gasket set.

Ive made an interesting discovery, my stock wrist pin actually looks like this http://www.pannonsports.com/store/pr...293&bestseller.

-Which is the Blata wrist pin!! And get this, it is 12.7mm and had spacers ALREADY in there! This is a new bike, no previous mods. Whats going on here? you guys said the stock bearing is near 15mm and no spacers, yet i already have this?

But the ''Blata European made wrist pin'' i ordered look nothing like this. It is 12.7mm like you guys say they are, but it looks way different. The bearing cage is way thicker and is like level with the needles.

Could the Chinese suddenly have realised this and actually started caring????

Now i dont know whether to put my new bearing in cause it doesnt look like the pictures on the internet and my bike alreadyt has a 12.7mm bearing with spacers which DOES look like internet pictures....
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its eaiser to take the throtle off from the carbie (undo the screw and take it out) and the slide needle and spring should just slide out when your done slide it back in but rember it only goes in one way (if its like my 18mm dell) slide it in if it dosnt go down very far take it out spin it around 180* than slide it back in should slide down a fair bit than wack it all back together and its riding time...
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Re: Tuning a B1 China replica

i live in sacramento,california
where can i get a pocketbike
for cheap cheap like
60 bucks cheap?
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Midsouth Minimoto carries parts for Blata which fit on the replicas. Give us a call if you need something. 954-990-0931 We're open from 1pm-9pm
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lol i think i have the same pocket bike as u but i do not no lol
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hi , i just bought a second hand B1 replica and its not running to good , when the back wheels is off the floor the bike kicks into powerband but when i ride the bike it seems as if theres no power in the bike and doesn't go into powerband ! any suggestions ?
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the clutch is set too low, as in the springs are set too loose, tighten all three springs with an allen wrench (try to set them all the same) untill it takes off better and will hit the power band...

the bike shouldnt move at all until the rpm's get really high, then it should take off like crazy, if it doesnt then 90% of the time the clutch is too loose...


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hi , i just bought a second hand B1 replica and its not running to good , when the back wheels is off the floor the bike kicks into powerband but when i ride the bike it seems as if theres no power in the bike and doesn't go into powerband ! any suggestions ?

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OK Thanks for your help :P
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