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Tips for a virgin knee dragger.

I'm a newbie and I took a break from racing cause of technical diffeculties ( cause I was riding a chinese bike.) I've never dragged my knee and I may be getting a 50cc shifter bike like a YSR50 or an NSR50R. Anyway, I need tips on kneedragging. Thx

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Re: Tips for a virgin knee dragger.

dosent matter what bike you have, just as long as you have a good set of tires.

I will tell you that it is harder to get good corner speed on a 2stroke than a 4. dont think about trying to make your knee touch, just think about leaning over as far as you can.

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Re: Tips for a virgin knee dragger.

oh,okay thanx. I'll try that.

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Re: Tips for a virgin knee dragger.

Good corner speed depends solely on the rider not if the motor's a 2 or a 4stroke.You just gotta learn how to keep the 2 stroker in or close to the powerband.You'll be suprised at how many people do not know how to race a 2stroke. Practice is the key!

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Re: Tips for a virgin knee dragger.

Biggest tip of all: get a good set of kneepads and maybe some sliders. Kinda hurts if ya don't have 'em ......

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Re: Tips for a virgin knee dragger.

yeah, velco industrial type kneepads are what i use, they are really cheap, but wear out kinda fast. Just make sure they are a little on the side of you knee instead of on the front. Be carefull though, when you start to get into leaning the bike over, you begin to enter highside/lowside territory.

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Re: Tips for a virgin knee dragger.

Depends on your riding style. Somebody like to lean with the bike without shifting their body out of the seat. I personally throw my whole hip off the seat when cornering, it will give you better traction, coz your bike is more straight up, less lean angle, and it is way easier to put your knee on the ground.

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Depends on your riding style. Somebody like to lean with the bike without shifting their body out of the seat. I personally throw my whole hip off the seat when cornering, it will give you better traction, coz your bike is more straight up, less lean angle, and it is way easier to put your knee on the ground.
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lmao the car pic^^^
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dude that pics pretty funny

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Depends on your riding style. Somebody like to lean with the bike without shifting their body out of the seat. I personally throw my whole hip off the seat when cornering, it will give you better traction, coz your bike is more straight up, less lean angle, and it is way easier to put your knee on the ground.
that's exactly the method on full size bikes. i have been through a race school before and a couple track days. its not so much u want your hip out to the side but yes the straighter up u can actually keep your bike the better traction you have. under hard cornering my neck is about lined up with where the mirror would be. i have been practicing the same technique on my X7 the last week or two that it has been running.
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Re: Tips for a virgin knee dragger.

I just ride it hard , you will get there if you ride hard enough , dont concentrate on getting that knee down just let it happen you actually have more traction on a angle than you do with the bike straight up . dont try to throw your weight off the bike , hen I drag my knees it basically lets me know where my lean angle stops much more past that and it means the rear is going out or I find my front tire of the ground and balancing on my knee and rear tire like in the last picture , that was a nasty crash we have on video




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Re: Tips for a virgin knee dragger.

Great Pics!

I've got a knee down a few times, but can't make it happen all the time...

I've seen some of the little guy's with a knee and an elbow down.


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I've found it easy to get my knee down but now I'm buying more tires and pucks it's really getting exspensive,but try doing circles in the parking lot and be smooth with that right hand just take your time and wear a go pair of pants

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I've found it easy to get my knee down but now I'm buying more tires and pucks it's really getting exspensive,but try doing circles in the parking lot and be smooth with that right hand just take your time and wear a go pair of pants

sorry, good pair of pants
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Re: Tips for a virgin knee dragger.

I'm a noob here, but maybe I can help a little.

Years ago I tried (meaning I was too fat and too slow) to race AMA superbikes. Just club level stuff in Pueblo/Denver CO.

I attended a racing school sponsored by Jason Pridmore, a factory endurance racer for Suzuki.

We talked about getting knees on the ground, this helped me tremendously with corner speeds, so here goes:

Essentially what your trying to do is remove some weight loading to the tires. In essence, create a "tripod". The knee should load into the pavement.

On a big bike, the other leg should be tucked in tight. Your actually using it to "pull" the bike over as you enter the corner and maintain the lean angle.

On a pocket bike this part really isn't applicable unless your six years old. Adults are just too big. The point is the knee isn't supposed to just skim the asphalt. It should be working as a 3rd wheel.

That's what I learned for big stuff and it helped me a great deal.

If you've not stuck a knee before it'll likely scare you a bit the first time. It did with me anyway. Just trust it. A crack or bump in the road WILL NOT tear your leg out of your hip. It'll just float right over the top of it.

My advise is get some leathers with knee pucks. You can buy knee pucks from superbike race sites that are made from Delrin plastic. It'll look like you have two plastic bricks stuck to the side of your calves. They are thicker/heavier to last longer. This is why racers buy them because they are working that knee pretty hard (as mentioned earlier)

Next,

Don't look 5 feet in front of you. This is pure poison to smooth cornering. If there's dirt/gravel/sand on the surface you are already phooked. It's too late. This is where riding in a prepared surface beats the street by a factor of 10. Streets are dangerous because conditions are constantly changing. A track shouldn't have a line of "marbles" the way a shoulder on a public road does. Look as far ahead as you can in your corners. You'll track smoother and this will build the confidence to increase lean angle and add more corner speed. You'll also find that you won't serpentine nearly as much. It'll seem like the whole world slowed down because the pavement isn't rushing by you so fast when you look way ahead. It also helps with avoiding riders ahead of you who may have gotten into trouble.

Last and then I'll shut up:

Your throttle management is what turns the bike once committed. If you need to stand it up a bit, add power. The bike will try to pull to vertical. If you need more lean angle, you can back off the power slightly. I learned on my Gixxer 1000 that it had a subtle flat spot in the power curve. I got a Yoshimira EMS and learned to tune the flat spot out. Nothing sucks more than a sputtery throttle response where there's nothing, then suddenly more power than you wanted. With these little bikes I suspect they don't have sophisticated fuel injection (yet). A carb can be tuned just as well to give smooth power delivery.

Hope this helps and good luck.

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Mine inner foot do touch the ground before the knee of destiny makes its love to the asphalt. Has anyone here had such an experience? And how do you propose I am to solve this madness!?

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Give it gas and dont be scared!!! lol.. Keep that foot on the peg at all costs.. Its not a Dirt bike!

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Re: Tips for a virgin knee dragger.

your knee doesnt contact the ground as a tripod as suggested
if you watch motogp they have super slo mos and they use their knee as a feeler to skim along in the turn, or to maybe save a lowside
they hang off the bike so they dont have to lean the bike as much cause the more lean the less traction so the weight distribution helps the bike turn with less lean
altho them mofos sure do lean to the limit
im scard so i hang my toes off the peg a bit and when they start scraping i know im on the edge of wrecking

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Re: Tips for a virgin knee dragger.

First of all, you need to wear a special knee puck made of plastic or nylon that is secured by a large panel of hook-and-loop material that skims smoothly across the pavement surface.
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