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Knee dragging envy!

I want to knee drag so bad but I can't reach it. I've tried leaving and sliding my butt off the seat but can't reach. Every time I get close I start to lowside. Any advice? I made new pegs that will lock my feet in better hopefully creating better positioning while cornering.
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If your bike has too much ground clearance it makes it harder to reach the pavement.

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In motorcycle racing, you get all your braking done before you enter the corner. Then you position yourself for the turn, you'll probably have to go "cheek-off" where you have one of your butt cheeks off the seat and the other cheek is barely on the edge. I know it sounds funny but I'm serious. Then, with your arms, your elbow, on the corner side, should be almost touching your knee or at least pointing to it. Your other arm should almost be straight or slightly bent, depending on your bike. Keep your eyes looking ahead, avoid looking down at your knee. Then about half way into the turn you can start getting on the throttle, but if you hammer it too soon the rear wheel will lose traction, that's what causes a low side. What happens a lot of the time is when guys feel the wheels start to lose traction, they let off the throttle abruptly to correct, and then the tire gains the grip back quickly and that would cause a highside. The bike kicks back and throws you off the top. Highsides happen to me more often because I'm trying to accelerate out of the corner harder, and harder. That's just the common riding style, there are a whole bunch of different styles. There are YouTube videos of all the moto gp guys different riding style. But if I were going to give you a tip, get all that braking done before you lean into the corner, that should help the most. Good luck!
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That helped me alot thx
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Need to slow down before the corner like he says. If you enter to fast you slide out of the normal line thru the corner and you can ruin your tire. When you do that in the middle of the corner you can't back on the throttle when your still trying to gain control of the bike.

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Need to slow down before the corner like he says. If you enter to fast you slide out of the normal line thru the corner and you can ruin your tire. When you do that in the middle of the corner you can't back on the throttle when your still trying to gain control of the bike.
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Re: Knee dragging envy!

Awesome thanks guys! I'm excited to give it a go, But it snowed today... Maybe it will dry up this weekend.
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A lot of it has to do with the shape of the corner too, some turns just don't have the right angle to get a knee down. Usually turns of 180 degrees work best.
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Re: Knee dragging envy!

I took out my lucky 7 today with the meat hook pegs I made and wad able to get my left knee down. I was determined, had my butt way off the seat and went for it. My right peg was dragging and it mage me nervous to lean further. I'm going to mess with that peg so that I can.

I also took out one of mt-a3s. That extra ground clearance and crapy pegs made it impossible. I had to change how I corner just to get close. So lucky 7 cheek off, mta3 just lean.
Thanks so much guys, this sport is a blast!
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LoL I learned something too corner technique with the throttle... some of my cornering was hairy scary to say the least... like to much throttle too soon having gravity pull me out of my turn line, or doing whatever I did to get that handlebar tank slap.... I stopped slamming the throttle and more like I feather it... I need more ride time I think... also I always seem to underestimate the power band

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LoL I learned something too corner technique with the throttle... some of my cornering was hairy scary to say the least... like to much throttle too soon having gravity pull me out of my turn line, or doing whatever I did to get that handlebar tank slap.... I stopped slamming the throttle and more like I feather it... I need more ride time I think... also I always seem to underestimate the power band
Ya, that's what most refer to as rolling on the throttle.
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Thx I'll have to remember that
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These bikes are like riding a 3 legged elephant, way to much power for a 40 or 50lb bike, the center of gravity is Way too high, and it wants to highside you and you out weight the bike four to seven times, depending on your weight, not a very good formula for racing, lol.

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You could try getting your body off the bike as much as possible. I've seen some vids where guys were getting both cheeks off.
I've only ridden a true pocket bike a couple of times. It didn't workout to well for me.
Proper setup of the bike will help with your confidence in leaning the bike over and getting a knee down also.
I can't stress this enough,practice practice and more practice! This will help you develop your feel and get better acquainted with your bike. That way you'll know what it can and can't do.
There's a theory , fast in slow out. Meaning if you charge the turn to fast. You'll over shoot the apex and sacrifice the speed coming out. This also will depend on the radius of the turn or even the next sequences of turns.(very tricky)

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All of this has helped me... brett had also told me before that what I did was high side my B1 on a different occasion, and I finally just looked up low siding and high siding and he was right, but now I know how and why it happened to me and the working theory behind it, that should help me tons

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Re: Knee dragging envy!

It snowed again... My parts better get here soon so I have something to do with my bike haha. Thanks for all three help guys, I think I found the best alignment for my pegs now all I need is practice.

Mean while I took a screenshot of Google maps of that parking lot I race at and drew out my track, I mapped out a larger track and am going to use this to get a good basis for my lines. See pic. Does anyone else have a pic off their track? Whether it be in a parking lot or an actual track? I'd love more track ideas.

For my photo, the black line is about a 20-30 sec. Lap time, the blue is a new idea. The Orange and brown dots are cones.
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This is where the lots of practice come in at.
Lowsides can happen from from the frontend known as frontend tucks. Can also come from the rear, mostly from the front though. Easily can be saved depending on the riders knowledge and reflexes. Frontend tucks can be saved by using your knee that's down and turning into it the slide while applying some throttle. The highside can be saved by chopping the throttle abruptly. This one's tricky because you almost have to catch it instantly.
This all stems from the feel of the bike and knowing.
1 of my x18'S is setup to spend the tire once it's on the edge of tire. If I let someone ride this bike who didn't know this. The bike would flicked them off at the first turn. Lol For me its perfect because it helps me run some crazy and unexpected lines. Plus makes me faster through the tightest of turns. I'd feel the rear tire slipping then feed it some throttle. Then the rearend would pivot around. Then I'd picked the bike up hammer the throttle and shoot out of the turn. Meanwhile most if not all the riders are coasting around the tighter turns.

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The bigger parking lot I don't like as much. It has a really rough surface and will chew up slicks.
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So I'm imagining that you are essentially drifting around those right corners, is that right? And the x18 had more torque which makes shooting out of the corner street a drift most possible, would you specifically be able to do that on a cag? That's what I'm working with.

Ooo I love those round corners in those lots. I wish I had some. Playing make believe corners only gets you so far haha. I need to get more cones.
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So I'm imagining that you are essentially drifting around those right corners, is that right? And the x18 had more torque which makes shooting out of the corner street a drift most possible, would you specifically be able to do that on a cag? That's what I'm working with.

Ooo I love those round corners in those lots. I wish I had some. Playing make believe corners only gets you so far haha. I need to get more cones.
Only the rear wheel, for me the front tire has to keep the grip. Because if the front tire starts slipping. Then you might scrub off to much speed to get into the turns. Plus you'll have to do a lot more of your braking up right.

If you get a few more cones, you'll be just as happy. The curbs are unforgiving...
It's definitely a different ride between the 2strokes and the 4strokes.

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