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My mate has an air cooled mini moto, I was a bit big to ride it at first untill I opened up the clip ons to make them near enough straight and I was comfortable riding it then. I bought a Blata b1 rep thinking I would do the same but my coolant reservoir is stopping me do this atm. I’ve had to drop the bars lower than the reservoir to achieve the desired angle. I’ve seen pics of high clip ons that are nearly straight on b1 reps. How are people achieving this without moving the reservoir?
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Can you post a photo, My C1 has plenty of room and I run my bars forward a hair. Is your water bottle mounted right, mine is on the right of the frame bracket. Should be able to drop the the handle bars down also.
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Can you post a photo, My C1 has plenty of room and I run my bars forward a hair. Is your water bottle mounted right, mine is on the right of the frame bracket. Should be able to drop the the handle bars down also.
Yeah I’ve dropped the bars so they don’t interfere with the reservoir but they are very low.
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My mate has an air cooled mini moto, I was a bit big to ride it at first untill I opened up the clip ons to make them near enough straight and I was comfortable riding it then. I bought a Blata b1 rep thinking I would do the same but my coolant reservoir is stopping me do this atm. Ive had to drop the bars lower than the reservoir to achieve the desired angle. Ive seen pics of high clip ons that are nearly straight on b1 reps. How are people achieving this without moving the reservoir?
Theres lil tricks like shimming , trimming or relocating the body , modifying the bars where they touch the tank also modifying the balance bottle bracket.....

Aslong as you don't physically change the bottle location if you have to add an inch or two of mounting height or move it forwards a lil you'll be alright....

Stand it on a bench sideways to look and see what it takes to get it done...

Theres clip-ons that have offset bar holders too...I put them on my Black Magic Cag to get the bars in a more forward position.

They can adjust four different ways..Height,angle,protrusion aswell as how far the bars stick out...You seem to have a similar type so pulling the bars outwards more or trimming off the inner length that hits the tank should be the ticket to achieving what you want to do....

Wider fork clamps will work too....Youll need to make new wheel spacers and shim the brake caliper holder......





If you make a nose bracket like I have on my Polini 910 Carena you can definitely do something with the balance bottle..

On my Polini 910 the bottle with cap is in under the fueltank but with a B1 rep that's not possible..



On my Ziemini Cag I did something a lil unorthodox to raise them over 2" but worked out killer.....LOL



Good Luck getting the ride comfort problem sorted out....

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My mate has an air cooled mini moto, I was a bit big to ride it at first untill I opened up the clip ons to make them near enough straight and I was comfortable riding it then. I bought a Blata b1 rep thinking I would do the same but my coolant reservoir is stopping me do this atm. I’ve had to drop the bars lower than the reservoir to achieve the desired angle. I’ve seen pics of high clip ons that are nearly straight on b1 reps. How are people achieving this without moving the reservoir?
Theres lil tricks like shimming , trimming or relocating the body , modifying the bars where they touch the tank also modifying the balance bottle bracket...…..

Aslong as you don't physically change the bottle location if you have to add an inch or two of mounting height or move it forwards a lil you'll be alright....

Stand it on a bench sideways to look and see what it takes to get it done...

Theres clip-ons that have offset bar holders too...……I put them on my Black Magic Cag to get the bars in a more forward position.

They can adjust four different ways..Height,angle,protrusion aswell as how far the bars stick out...You seem to have a similar type so pulling the bars outwards more or trimming off the inner length that hits the tank should be the ticket to achieving what you want to do...….

Wider fork clamps will work too...…….Youll need to make new wheel spacers and shim the brake caliper holder......





If you make a nose bracket like I have on my Polini 910 Carena you can definitely do something with the balance bottle..

On my Polini 910 the bottle with cap is in under the fueltank but with a B1 rep that's not possible……..



On my Ziemini Cag I did something a lil unorthodox to raise them over 2" but worked out killer...…..LOL



Good Luck getting the ride comfort problem sorted out...…….
Cheers mate, thanks for the ideas. I was already thinking to make some kind of a bracket to push the reservoir up/out a little bit. Unfortunately my bars can’t slide in and out, the bolts go directly through them. Trimming the ends off of them is one way. I might look for some alternative clip ons on eBay though anyway. Thanks mate.
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Just so everybody knows I got this problem sorted easily. I got a very cheap straight bracket from a local hardware place to push the reservoir forward. Then purchased a 13mm u-bend Jose with a straight connector into a 13mm 90 bend all cut to suit the job at hand. The 13mm internal diameter seems a bit tight so maybe opt a couple mm bigger for ease of fixing but it’s done the job and looks naughty in my opinion! Here are pics.
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Just so everybody knows I got this problem sorted easily. I got a very cheap straight bracket from a local hardware place to push the reservoir forward. Then purchased a 13mm u-bend Jose with a straight connector into a 13mm 90 bend all cut to suit the job at hand. The 13mm internal diameter seems a bit tight so maybe opt a couple mm bigger for ease of fixing but its done the job and looks naughty in my opinion! Here are pics.
Very nice job getting it sorted out.....You have to do what you have to do with these bikes short of debilitating the way they operate.....
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Just so everybody knows I got this problem sorted easily. I got a very cheap straight bracket from a local hardware place to push the reservoir forward. Then purchased a 13mm u-bend Jose with a straight connector into a 13mm 90 bend all cut to suit the job at hand. The 13mm internal diameter seems a bit tight so maybe opt a couple mm bigger for ease of fixing but it’s done the job and looks naughty in my opinion! Here are pics.
Very nice job getting it sorted out.....You have to do what you have to do with these bikes short of debilitating the way they operate...…..
Lol, thanks mate. To be honest I am having an absolute blast with it. Still need more track time to feel I’ve ran it in properly so I can drop to 33:1 oil ratio. After that I’m going for a dellorto 17.5 phva carb. Would love to know of some set up tips in advance as it won’t be long? I’ve been given a link but I’m not sure if this comes with the choke lever or not and it mentions having to block something off for pre mix bikes? I have no experience of this. Some help would be really appreciated. https://www.mopeddivision.com/dellor...rburetor-1407/
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Lol, thanks mate. To be honest I am having an absolute blast with it. Still need more track time to feel Ive ran it in properly so I can drop to 33:1 oil ratio. After that Im going for a dellorto 17.5 phva carb. Would love to know of some set up tips in advance as it wont be long? Ive been given a link but Im not sure if this comes with the choke lever or not and it mentions having to block something off for pre mix bikes? I have no experience of this. Some help would be really appreciated. https://www.mopeddivision.com/dellor...rburetor-1407/
Some mopeds have an oil injection pump to mix oil with fuel at the carb...

The 17.5 carb has a provision for that oil injection hose so seeings youre premixing the fuel you need to block that inlet off...
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Lol, thanks mate. To be honest I am having an absolute blast with it. Still need more track time to feel I’ve ran it in properly so I can drop to 33:1 oil ratio. After that I’m going for a dellorto 17.5 phva carb. Would love to know of some set up tips in advance as it won’t be long? I’ve been given a link but I’m not sure if this comes with the choke lever or not and it mentions having to block something off for pre mix bikes? I have no experience of this. Some help would be really appreciated. https://www.mopeddivision.com/dellor...rburetor-1407/
Some mopeds have an oil injection pump to mix oil with fuel at the carb...

The 17.5 carb has a provision for that oil injection hose so seeings youre premixing the fuel you need to block that inlet off...
Yeah, I understood that no problem. What I meant was how do I go about that? Will there be some form of a plug in the kit? Will I have to buy one separately and if so, where? Nice one for helping me out.

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Yeah, I understood that no problem. What I meant was how do I go about that? Will there be some form of a plug in the kit? Will I have to buy one separately and if so, where? Nice one for helping me out.
You can use a blockoff plug or a piece of rubber line with a screw in it....Even JB weld it shut.....
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Yeah, I understood that no problem. What I meant was how do I go about that? Will there be some form of a plug in the kit? Will I have to buy one separately and if so, where? Nice one for helping me out.
You can use a blockoff plug or a piece of rubber line with a screw in it....Even JB weld it shut...…..
I’d like to do it as profession as possible lol. Would I be able to get a block off plug direct from dellorto? I searched google and couldn’t find anything for it?
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Id like to do it as profession as possible lol. Would I be able to get a block off plug direct from dellorto? I searched google and couldnt find anything for it?
You have to use the right keywords...

https://www.amazon.com/Spectre-Perfo...5&sr=8-2-fkmr1

https://store.034motorsport.com/sili...-diameter.html
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I use an inline radiator where you put the red hose.
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I use an inline radiator where you put the red hose.
So are you saying I can’t do the braces without the in-line radiator or are you just using that aswell as the stock rad mate? Much better cooling properties from it?
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Works either way, is up to you, can't hurt to have more cooling. All my water cooled bikes have one.
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Works either way, is up to you, can't hurt to have more cooling. All my water cooled bikes have one.
I suppose I didn’t think of it like that. Can’t hurt can it.. Good thinking mate!
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