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HI All,

My name is Andrew and I am a long time tinkerer off all things motorized....I especially like to modify things to go FAST!

I started off with motorized bikes (we custom machine sprockets for them) and I was looking to get into Pocket Bikes because they offer such crazy performance in such a small package...PLUS they look wild to boot!

Since I am new to this forum (I have read many postings here just to get a feel of things), I was wondering where I could find a list of the top 10 most popular pocket bikes / mid bikes out there.

Looking forward to getting my first Pocket Bike and tinkering w/ the gearing etc....

Thanks!

Andrew (AKA "andyinchville")
 

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do you want the most popular or a list of top 10 performance/build quality wise? because there are ALOT more china bikes out there than euro's....

if you're looking for top 10 then ied say:

Blata
Polini
DM
GRC
GM Phantom
Stamas
BMS
ZPF
Pasini
BZM

Which are all european built/designed bike manufaturers. they offer superior quality, reliability and performance. They are almost ALL available in chinese reproduction models, but they're significantly cheaper built and designed, and the parts are no where near the same quality.

I've owned a blata Elite 13 WRS and a reproduction e13, and they arent even in the same ball park, but ofcourse chinese bikes and parts are WAY more affordable to tinker...
 

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Hi,

Thanks for the quick reply...I can't say I've heard a lot of the brands you listed (except the first two) but I will do more looking around...

I suppose Cag, Cat eye, and the "X" bikes (like x 15, x18, x19 etc) are the cheaper Chinese clones?....Do you have a list of the "better" Chinese clones?

Truthfully, to get started, I will probably try the cheaper ones first then work up from there.

Andrew

PS - Thanks list of the higher end models
 

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Alright, there are many ways you can go to start off... depends what type and size of engine you prefer to work on. pocket bikes and midbikes range from 39cc to 160cc, sometimes more after modification. there are two ways you can go, liquid cooled or air cooled. Air cooled will offer you an easier mechanic, as you will mostly encounter simple cag or zenoah 49 cc two stroke engines. you can take it apart and slap it back together in about an hour once you know your way around them well. They are easy and cheap to modify, provided you have the proper tools and know how(you can pretty much find anything pocket bike related on this forum anyways) but they require regular maintenance. As far as midbikes go, you're looking at Cat eye, the X bikes, which range from 49cc A/C 2 strokes to L/C 4 stroke 110cc estart motors. I personally have never dealt with any of these, since i was more into 50cc LC bikes, but i'm sure some people around here can enlighten you on them, and there are deffinatly tons of posts around here to help you find out whatever you need to know about them.
The liquid cooled pocket bikes are deffinatly a bigger project to tackle, but once fine tuned, a good L/C china bike can put out tons of torque and have a good powerband

List of the most popular chinese pocket bikes.

C1 L/C
E13 L/C
T1 A/C
D1 L/C
G1 L/C
P1 L/C
G2 L/C
Z1 L/C
Lucky 7 A/c
Cagllari A/C
Banshee SHO L/C
MTA-1 A/C
MTA-2 AC
B1 L/c

They really all are different. you can crossref them with the euro brands above, ex: Z1 is a ZPF rep, B1 and E13 are Blata reps, D1 is a DM rep, etc, etc.. my prefered china reps are the e13, its a smaller frame offers better handling, and you can use original blata or BZM parts on it and the C1, built properly you can smoke some euros on the drag, but it's size really affects the handling.


edit: lucky you caught me stoned and watching rolex supercar sports series, or else who knows if I would've been too lazy to type all this, lol.
 

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The most popular pocketbikes in the cheap range are half fairing and full fairing cags....GRC's,,Polinis and Blatas are a bit more pricier but offer more bang for the buck as far as hp but like I said theyre not cheap neither are their parts...

Cags are the most popular amongst us guys that like to tinker because theyre so cheap and easy to modify and can be built in my hobby room...LOL...Theres lots to tinker with to take a 1.6bhp 2 stroke engine and mod it to almost 4-6bhp with a few bucks and a dremel..........

Theres other members here besides myself who are into performing such mods....It keeps the fun high and the overall pricetag in the end;- low...

Heres a thread I constructed on my cags which I have 6 of them,,I also have a vast array of other pbs from x/1's,,x/2's,,a polini 910 carrena,,twin enginned mini harley bike,,3 stand-up scooters,,cateyes,,4 stroke superbikes and many-many more aswell as projects up the wazoo that need completion....LOL...Good Luck with the bike of your choice

http://www.pocketbikeplanet.com/showthread.php?t=60828

It runs way better than it looks and rides like a scary dream...LOL

 

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HI,

450 sized engines are definitely powerful but I have always been "backwards" when it comes to my "toys".....Always lookimg to modify small things for BIG performance.....

I really want to take a .21 RC Car engine (3.5 CC , About 3 HP at 30,000 RPM on Nitro), gear it down and power something like a bicycle or Pocket Bike....

Crazy I know but always been kinda into the crazy small being uber powerful...

Of course, maybe shoe horning a 350 small block onto a quad...NOW that'd be neat too!

Andrew
 

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If you did that I would use a supercharger as a seat lol
 

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Plenty of options to choose from and have fun. Personally I believe any of these bikes can be built to perform or out perform. Some just take way more work than others. I've been racing my China made midbike for a long time. I must say i've seen all the above listed euro's and seem them all break down or loose parts out on the track. I have raced against them and beatin them pretty easily on the tracks.
My point is what you have is only gonna be as good as what ya put into it. I like the 4 stroke mids because it seems every year. There are bigger and more powerful motors that can be bolted in them.
But the main reason is, it was said a long time ago that they would never be able to compete. Lol how wrong could they have been.
Browse the site even check youtube to help give you more insight. There are plenty of well built bikes and interesting and great builds here.
 

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Pocket bikes are for kids! Get a nice quad a trx450 or a yfz450!!!
This forums suck the www.trx450r.org are so much nicer and smarter people!
yfz450 trx450 : like 7 grand new
Pocket Quad or mini ATV: under 200$ to 900$ at the most, with mods.

what does it all mean?

play with what you can afford!

on my part, I like pretty much anything with an engine and wheels or wings. I'm also a bang for your buck type of guy, whether it be for my cars, or for my toys. Bottom line is, there is no age for pocket bikes, as I think many people here would agree..

P.S: Not trying to rain on your parade or anything,but you created an account with the words pocket bike in it when you are practically bashing this forum and questioning the intelligence of people who lurk these parts... JUST SAYING....let me tell you, you couldn't be any more wrong, I learn alot about 2 stroke mechanics sifting through here, and have seen some pretty clever stuff.

Just my two cents..
 

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HI,

Doing a lot of reading and learning.....Great place!

I do like the fact that a person can get into it for relatively low $$ and have a lot of fun with it.

As a side note, having come from the motorized bicycle side of things, it is interesting that over on the motorized bicycle side, some people have experimented with putting pocket bike engines on their bikes (some 49 CC Pocket bike engines have real performance!) but so far I have yet to run into a post where a pocket bike person grafted on a Chinese bike engine (the ones used to turn a bike into a moped that are commonly sold on eBay etc...) onto their pocket bikes....I wonder why that is considering the "80 CC" kits there claim an output of 5 HP or so from the factory (of course the actual displacement is about 66 CC)....I guess that technically may violate some displacement rules when racing tho....but for general street bashing maybe that would be the hot set up?....A "big bore" 2 stroke for less!?!....Of course the rear sprocket would have to run a different chain to do that....And I guess the rear sprocket would be way smaller since the Chinese Kits run an internal 4 to 1 reduction.....Hmmmmm....

Also, Just curious but I was reading about the "mini moto races" and they said that liquid cooled engines were NOT allowed to run antifreeze....Just water and / or water wetter....Why is there an antifreeze ban when racing?....I would think you would want antifreeze to lube water pumps and keep stuff from rusting?

Andrew

PS - Yeah...it's late BUT I'm pumped up looking and reading about all this!.....For simplicity and price I'm kinda leaning towards a Chinese Air cooled Bike for starters...Any recommendations as to which one to get (would like a common one with good aftermarket support)...Thanks!

Andrew
 

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I wasn't impressed with those 80cc motors. A buddy of minds put one on one of those schwinn choppers. I drag raced with him on my 2stroke x7 49cc all stock besides a custom tune pipe mottor wise. Ibeat him going uphill and downhill. But I think with a proper carb and pipe, that motor could been faster.
As far as the track and antifreeze. If you crash and that stuff spills on the track. Then it becomes slippery and it doesn't evaporate very dangerous.
 

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HI,

Doing a lot of reading and learning.....Great place!

I do like the fact that a person can get into it for relatively low $$ and have a lot of fun with it.

As a side note, having come from the motorized bicycle side of things, it is interesting that over on the motorized bicycle side, some people have experimented with putting pocket bike engines on their bikes (some 49 CC Pocket bike engines have real performance!) but so far I have yet to run into a post where a pocket bike person grafted on a Chinese bike engine (the ones used to turn a bike into a moped that are commonly sold on eBay etc...) onto their pocket bikes....I wonder why that is considering the "80 CC" kits there claim an output of 5 HP or so from the factory (of course the actual displacement is about 66 CC)....I guess that technically may violate some displacement rules when racing tho....but for general street bashing maybe that would be the hot set up?....A "big bore" 2 stroke for less!?!....Of course the rear sprocket would have to run a different chain to do that....And I guss the rear sprocket would be way smaller since the Chinese Kits run an internal 4 to 1 reduction.....Hmmmmm....

Also, Just curious but I was reading about the "mini moto races" and they said that liquid cooled engines were NOT allowed to run antifreeze....Just water and / or water wetter....Why is there an antifreeze ban when racing?....I would think you would want antifreeze to lube water pumps and keep stuff from rusting?

Andrew

PS - Yeah...it's late BUT I'm pumped up looking and reading about all this!.....For simplicity and price I'm kinda leaning towards a Chinese Air cooled Bike for starters...Any recommendations as to which one to get (would like a common one with good aftermarket support)...Thanks!

Andrew
you can probably pick up a few used Cags off ebay or craigs list for cheap, then buy a buttload of parts for practically nothing. Extra Reeds, extra Flywheels, extra clutches, extra cranks, bearings, head kits, spark plugs... etc... My most recent cag build is a mini quad, bought new in a store for 125$... put a 44mm Big Bore in it that I cleaned up with my dremel, new reed block with carbon fiber reeds, lightened flywheel and clutch(made from stock, tutorials available on the How-To section of the air cooled forum), NGK CR7HIX iridium spark plugs, full circle crank, aluminum pullstart, Jet Pro Exhaust(still havent gotten around to putting it in but it's coming). All that for about 225$....

and obviously the difference from stock is night and day, better throttle response, a much more constant power band, and gains at low mid and top end.... 8900 RPM at WOT with myself on it...

in conclusion, if you have the tools and know how to refurbish, do it, you'll save some money, and get to know the cags alot better in the process. Not only that, you can probably buy a lot of 4-5 bikes for practically nothing, then buy parts in bulk aswell.

Try nabing a CAG, A2, or MTA1, theres littlerally hundreds on ebay.

if you absolutely want to get one new, I'm Pretty sure Hugh from SDScooters has them in stock... he's a member here on the forums.
 

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the top ten pocket bikes are x7 x18 x15 x19 x22 my favorite pocket bike is a blata or pollini a cheap pocket bike i a cagllari very good bike and cheap i have a couple for sale if you are intrested
 

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Welcome aboard, the Cags are most popular, there small and light. I have 9 bikes total, Cam2 has many, many bikes,lol. My water cooled orange C1 avatar photo bike is a Copy of a Euro, Blata Orgami, its 50cc, ( 46cc ), has much more power than my air cooled Cags. Alot of work to keep it and the other bikes running. Most Mid-Bikes have a small 49cc 2 stroke engine and to much weight. My X18 Super Pocket bike is alot bigger than a Cag, and have a 110cc 4 stroke 4 speed trans.
 

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the top ten pocket bikes are x7 x18 x15 x19 x22 my favorite pocket bike is a blata or pollini a cheap pocket bike i a cagllari very good bike and cheap i have a couple for sale if you are intrested
X bikes are midbikes, and are china made... my first list above is basicly all the euro brands, which are 100x better designed and built than any stock china bike... I had a blata elite 13 wrs in the past and it was by far the best bike I have owned... the tight frame made it so agile, and the BZM kits that you can get for it will easily push 15-18 hp.
 
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